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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I know you and Kwickie know better, and are simply trying to play this game of equivocation, because you can't stand the truth. Put up this false front all you want, though. You're fooling no one.
I've read enough of their posts to believe that they are NOT putting up "false fronts." I think they actually believe the moral and ethical equivalencies they put up. They've helped me understand the incredible hatred the hard Left has for Christianity. Until I read it here, over and over, I really never understood that aspect of their belief system. I find it shocking and frightening, but at least they're open and consistent about their feelings.
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Waterboarding... witch hunts... When did the the CIA become the Christian Intelligence Agency? Also, when did the USA become a christian theocracy? This whole 'look at how bad these people are, I'll bet they did it cause they are christians' argument is even more childish and stupid than the original argument. At least the original foolish supposition that Muslims want all this violence was actually the topic of the gorram thread!
I've got a radical idea. How about someone defend Islam with examples of peaceful Muslims or peaceful Islamic practices? Do yall enjoy petty finger pointing or is your argument against Muslims being radical nutjobs really that weak?
Please prove me wrong and defend Islam with Islam, not by shaking your finger and pointing to something bad someone else did.
I'm gonna shamelessly quote myself in the event that it get's more attention now than it did the other night when i was all insomniac. Also because like one person got the point. So in cruder terms, if someone looks at a houses bathroom see's an unflushed toilet, should you scream about the soapscum in someone elses shower or should you show them the rest of the first house, maybe some of the better parts like the dining room? Pointing out the christians have had unflushed toilets on occasion does not make the muslim house look any better, but showing them a shiney dining room might help.
It won't stop everyone from focusing on the negative, but you may get some of the more 'big picture' folks to take you more seriously. But, all I'm seein' is finger wagglin' and name calling. If I were pettier I'd be tempted to move further right out of spite. The 'us' vs 'them' approach ain't condusive to unity.
My genetic make-up makes it impossible to disagree with any poster who uses shit-filled bowls to make his piont.....Well done.
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I do not find them despicable because of politics, but rather that they interfere with my LIFE on a regular basis no matter how they can contrive it, even if doing so is technically unlawful, all the while striving to MAKE that kind of interferance lawful.
And, also, because I am Shadow Vajrayana, a belief so opposed to the idea of forcing ones will and morality onto others that it encourages the assassination (character, spiritual, or otherwise) of those who do so.
Nor should you expect me to have one whit of sympathy for a man who chose to practice a belief that codifies in it's own holiest text the mistreatment of non-believers when he ran afoul of someone ELSE willing to do unto HIM the exact same thing - any more than I would feel sympathy for those at nuremburg who were "just following orders"...
Any time you make a PRACTICE of forcing your will and morals down the throats of others, via social pressure, legal manipulation, or violence, any time you take the orders of a group whos manifesto includes that stated intent, having that very thing happen to you at the hands of another such group is no cause for any sympathy from me and never will be.
I say again, not one dimes worth of difference between them, and your pathetic attempt to wheedle sympathy from me falls flat because you fail to understand that both "sides" of that fight are anathema to all I believe, and I would be quite, quite pleased as punch if they ALL killed each other.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I know you and Kwickie know better, and are simply trying to play this game of equivocation, because you can't stand the truth. Put up this false front all you want, though. You're fooling no one.
I've read enough of their posts to believe that they are NOT putting up "false fronts." I think they actually believe the moral and ethical equivalencies they put up. They've helped me understand the incredible hatred the hard Left has for Christianity. Until I read it here, over and over, I really never understood that aspect of their belief system. I find it shocking and frightening, but at least they're open and consistent about their feelings.
Your views of our "hatred" of Christianity are based entirely on your rabid hatred of any other religion. I'm merely pointing out to you that ALL religions are full of whackjob wingnuts who believe in killing everyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe.
It's odd that the mighty-whitey-righties around here keep putting up examples of Islam Gone Wild™, and claim they're just giving out information, yet when anyone else points out that there are as many examples of Christians Gone Wild™, it must be done purely out of hatred.
By your own logic, if *I* hate Christianity, aren't you admitting that *YOU* hate all other religious beliefs?
I'm a pragmatist; I'm at much more risk and in much more danger from attack by Christian fundamentalist zealots like those who the right is currently empowering and embracing than I am from any Muslim group.
But I totally get that everyone on the right is cowering in fear of the Big Bad 10-Foot-Tall Muslim™. It's a boogeyman your side invented in the aftermath of 9/11. You were trying to show that there was NOTHING that could have been done to stop 9/11, because we were up against such a monumentally bad-ass enemy, and there was no way in hell we could have ever stopped him. It's a lie, of course; there were plenty of opportunities to derail Bin Laden's plans - Bush was just too busy being on vacation to attend those meetings or read those briefings.
The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.
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Funny that you should be replying to Auraptor as if he doesn't have some contempt for Christianity.
He himself stated in a response to me, in a separate thread on this topic, that he could just as easily be saying, "how unlike a christian"...given the right context.
so I think the issue is not that of lefties hating christianity, but of a lot of us lefties, and atheists in general not trusting organized religion.
First, I don't hate Christianity or Christians. Most of my family is christian...mormon to be precise...so maybe some "true" christians take issue with that...and yet I love them. My guess is most atheists have loved ones who are also believers.
I should also point out that there are millions of liberals who are Christian,but maybe they interpret the book differently than the way you do, and maybe they don't see persecution of themselves everywhere they go, but embrace an opportunity to show graciousness and tolerance rather than to vilify the religions of others.
I admit, I find myself getting my back up when people try to make a distinction of virtue between their Christianity and the next person's Islam, inspite of the fact that in most converstaions you would not find me defending the Koran or the religion based around it. When people make threads about how bad Islam is, I do find a great deal of hypocracy in it, and where it isn't hypocracy, I find it to be at the very least, inattentive to the mechanisms of social evolution that is shaped by religion as much as religion is shaped by it.
The equiovactions are not an effort to say that all religions are equal...only to say that they are all capable of being used for evil...just as they are all capable of being used for good.
I think Jon Stewart said it well when he said religion is like splitting the atom...do it one way, you get nuclear power, do it another, and you get a bomb...
in the end, it's not the words in these books that have the power to do evil or good...these books say all kinds of crazy(from my perspective)...its what the people choose to focus on in those books that matters.
And what western muslims focus on in their book is not the crazy that many(but certainly not all) muslims from the middle east do. Is it asking too much for you to take that into account? Culture does matter. Economics matter. What I object to is you equating the name of the religion with morality, and that just is not born out in the facts about either of these great religions.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I've read enough of their posts to believe that they are NOT putting up "false fronts." I think they actually believe the moral and ethical equivalencies they put up. They've helped me understand the incredible hatred the hard Left has for Christianity. Until I read it here, over and over, I really never understood that aspect of their belief system. I find it shocking and frightening, but at least they're open and consistent about their feelings.
Starting about 15 years ago, I'd have been right there with them. The brazen dishonesty, the hatred and mindless vitriol by Christian fundies was drawing to a fever pitch. You see, the Y2K thingy was on its way, and the world was suppose to end. I was even more animated against those nuts then, thinking I could hammer some sense into their skulls with the 2x4 of knowledge and reason, but just like Kwiickie and the Left wing zealots here, some skulls are simply too empty and too dense to bother with even trying.
We're talking near Fred Phelps / Westboro Baptists type morons here, and it was pretty damn ugly. But even as evil and inbred as those folks are, they still didn't cut the heads off of non believers, or try to set them on fire. That sort of evil, which most had figured was forever stuck in the dark ages, is alive and well w/ Muslim zealots of today.
The Left refuses to see the evil of the latter, and instead simply focuses on Christian " intolerance ".
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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I'm still waiting for you to show where anyone said Islamic Terrorists don't exist or are not a threat.
You said they did, and that you could prove it. It's been about 3 weeks now, surely you've had time to find that elusive evidence.
Or, you're a lying sack of shit.
One or the other.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:I never said that, but some are quick to gloss over / ignore Islamic terrorism to such a degree as to make it near non existent.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I'm still waiting for you to show where anyone said Islamic Terrorists don't exist or are not a threat.
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You said they did, and that you could prove it. It's been about 3 weeks now, surely you've had time to find that elusive evidence.
Or, you're a lying sack of shit.
One or the other.
Nice straw man argument you have there.
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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Liar.
You were going on and on about how the left won't acknowledge the threat of Islamic fundies. I pointed out several cases where we had directly discussed it, and just said we don't consider them AS BIG a threat as you, and that no one had claimed they didn't exist.
You came back and said that, yes, indeed, some here (you did specify here, on this board) had said so. But you refuse to back it. Saying it's a straw man so you can wuss out doesn't mean it is one.
You're a lying chickenshit cunt.
Prove me wrong, fucko.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Liar.
You were going on and on about how the left won't acknowledge the threat of Islamic fundies. I pointed out several cases where we had directly discussed it, and just said we don't consider them AS BIG a threat as you, and that no one had claimed they didn't exist.
You came back and said that, yes, indeed, some here (you did specify here, on this board) had said so. But you refuse to back it. Saying it's a straw man so you can wuss out doesn't mean it is one.
You're a lying chickenshit cunt.
Prove me wrong, fucko.
Prove to me I said what you think I said.
See, this is what you brain donors on the Left do. You pay lip service to the issue of Islamic jihadists, but roll over on your backs like Prom dates when trying to please the PC crowd.
- Oh, PLEASE build your victory mosque on next to the hole in the ground your Muslim brothers made on 9/11 !!!
- I'll close Gitmo within the year..
- Military tribunals for the 9/11 masterminds ? No way! Let 'em have their day in our court system, so they can trash every fiber of this nation and preach to the world their hate and evil !
I'm not LYING , anus breath. I'm just more concerned with the real issues here, and not childish banter you engage in on some internet forum.
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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