Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM!
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UPDATED: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 15:05
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Hello,
Cripes. I never considered that being from an impovrished region filled with crushing despair and treated with wholesale disregard might contribute to something like Piracy.
So, by joining Islam, I only increase the statistical probability of becoming a terrorist? Bummer.
Is there any religion that increases my statistical probability of Captaining a Pirate ship? I'm willing to convert.
--Anthony
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Quote:Oh, hells yes it is! I mean the history--all three of the "big books" can be twisted any which-a-way to support whatever you're selling, but historically, this brand of Islamism is quite new.
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
This popular brand of violent extremism is not inconsistent with Islamic theology, or history.
Look, terrorism is a political and economic phenomenon. If people have a baseline faith in their own political power and the economic power to better themselves, and they're not sociopaths, they do not support or participate in terrorism. And when I say "political power" I'm not talking about voting booths, I'm talking about the ability to expect that some foreign entity won't come along and flatten your entire country.
That kind of unequal political power, we simply don't understand in America. Our nation's continent-spanning existence depends on it. Unequal warfare is our stock in trade--so much so that we're shocked, shocked I say, when any war we engage in isn't over in two weeks.
Well, the natives have graduated from bows and arrows to kalashnikovs and IED's. Right now, a whole lot of people in the world, most of 'em Muslim, live in fear that the United States of America just might roll into their countries and take everything away from them. I'm not talking about the cave-dwelling psychopaths or the corrupt government of Iran, I'm talking about the "silent majority" of Muslim people in the Middle East. Jeebus, you look at the way neo-cons have been able to gin up hatred in this country with nothing but a building permit to fuel the fire, how much do you think the Islamist propagandists can get out of two fantastically destructive wars of aggression? Without the last 100 years of Western political dominance and the last 50 years of intensive CIA style puppetmastery and adventurism, the Islamist movement of today would be about as pervasive as Tim McVeighism is: limited to a few psychopaths in a generation.
Oh well.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Shiny, that was so beautiful, I can only agree with every word. “God on our side” is the most dangerous propaganda and manipulation known to man, and it’s nice to see someone who recognizes the politics of religion in our country, to which others don’t seem to give much weight. As a buddhist, I’m extremely aware of the religiosity of our politics, and it has dismayed me for the past eight years deeply, and continues to do so. I won’t rant on it; you covered it far too well and far to civilly already.Quote:
Right on the mark.
It is used to enslave and control those who submit without question.
And then there comes Raptor, preaching the party line and ignoring everything of all those excellent posts before him:Quote:
No, Raptor, few actually “know” it...many, like you, have swallowed the doctrine whole cloth, but those who THINK, those who question the fear and intolerance being spouted currently, know exactly the opposite. They know it isn’t a “mosque” at all, they know Ground Zero isn’t some “holy ground” or there wouldn’t be betting parlors and sex clubs even CLOSER than the proposed COMMUNITY CENTER, and they know it is manipulation, not “right” which is behind this whole non-issue. To make flat statements like that ignores all reality, all perspective, and all common sense.
Building a mosque on the site of ground zero is wrong. Everyone knows it, at their core.
Man, this is one damned impressive thread. Leaving out the blind followers, I’m reading such eloquent points backed up with such reason and logic and recognition of history and the dangers of religion, I’m in awe of you guys. Byte, you too gave us such a wonderful view of reality.Quote:
You’re absolutely right. Taking out the historical religious figures who stoked their followers for political/power reasons of their OWN (like popes throughout history, good old Henry, etc.), what you have are religions USED by politicians and power mongers to fulfill and agenda and gain power, and push people into acts that, if they were thinking for themselves and sane, they wouldn’t do.
who I think did the pushing, and here's a hint, it wasn't their Imams or Ayatollahs or their preachersQuote:
Very, very well said...I liked the comparison to Columbine; it never occurred to me, but it’s right on. Similar mentality. Sense of powerlessness combined with hatred and fear, and lack of self-control. We have a phrase which has come into popular use: “Acting out”.
It's not about the religion for them, not really, it's about rage and hatred for the world and justifications and wanting to be admired or feared and to take what they want.
Pizmo, I think, again, that it is wrong to compare us to the rest of the world. Do we want to say that because China wouldn’t tolerate this or that, it’s okay that we don’t? Seriously? Remember Tiananmen Square? Or ANYTHING the Taliban believes? Does it matter what the rest of the world thinks of us if we know we are doing the right thing, the thing that embodies what our country is built upon? To me, it doesn’t.
No, Kane, he doesn’t have to go back to the Crusades to find evidence of Christianity’s desire for world domination. He only has to glance at Bush, who called the “war on terror” a “crusade” (and tho’ you won’t admit it, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had their aspects of Christian conquest). Try our own military, CURRENTLY:Quote:
For US Army soldiers entering basic training at Fort Jackson Army base in Columbia, South Carolina, accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior appears to be as much a part of the nine-week regimen as the vigorous physical and mental exercises the troops must endure.
That's the message directed at Fort Jackson soldiers, some of whom appear in photographs in government issued fatigues, holding rifles in one hand, and Bibles in their other hand.
Frank Bussey, director of Military Ministry at Fort Jackson, has been telling soldiers at Fort Jackson that "government authorities, police and the mili
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Let the Muslims build their Islamist Terror Mosque and Jihadist Recruitment Center right in the center of Ground Zero if they want. In the lobby they can showcase a solid gold statue of Osama Bin Laden laughing and giving the thumbs-up gesture. And then top it off with a 24/7 entertainment deck, complete with 72 virgins dancing around a camel-juice bar in silk pajamas. I'd rather have that than have Katie Couric and her Liberal pals scolding me for being an un-enlightened, fear-mongering intolerant bigot.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:Oh, hells yes it is! I mean the history--all three of the "big books" can be twisted any which-a-way to support whatever you're selling, but historically, this brand of Islamism is quite new.
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
This popular brand of violent extremism is not inconsistent with Islamic theology, or history.
I admit that I am not a historian. Please distinguish this brand of Islam, which is preoccupied with Holy war and a global Caliphate, from the type of Islam practiced by the Ottomans. Or those who invaded the Indian subcontinent. There are novel twists, no doubt, but nothing especially groundbreaking about killing the infidel and taking his shit because god wants you to.
Also, what of it it if any holy text can be twisted? What matters is the twisting, not the potential.
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Ah, wittle River is getting cranky.... Got nothing but absurd straw men to toss out there.
Sucks when people won't fall in line with your fear and hatred, huh? Poor kid. How sad.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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"Anthony, I think where your final argument fails is.."
Hello Niki,
I think my arguments are chronically harmed by my inability to convey faceitiousness.
On the bright side, I think this increases my likelihood of becoming a Pirate.
If I stand up and say, "I'm a Pirate, Arrgh," everyone will believe me.
--Anthony
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Hello,
My wife informs me that since my true intentions are often invisible, I might make a better Ninja than a Pirate.
But I'm not sure what noise you make to represent a Ninja. "Whoosh?"
--Anthony
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Hey Anthony,
I believe the church of the flying spaghetti monster considers pirates to be divine beings and global warming to be directly responsible for their lack of numbers.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ah, wittle River is getting cranky.... Got nothing but absurd straw men to toss out there.
Sucks when people won't fall in line with your fear and hatred, huh? Poor kid. How sad.
Doesn't suck at all buddy. Actually, feels pretty good knowing that I'm already IN line with the vast majority of Americans on this, 68% I believe. Only 26% think like you do. Now that MUST suck for you. So sorry
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