Three disasters, one cause: profit
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, June 14, 2010 21:15
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"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Ronald Reagan 1981.
Who then promptly went to work MASSIVELY increasing the size and scope of the government. All while decrying the government. And then running for re-election.
Hypocrisy much?
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Hello,
If I don't have to move and I can pay my bills, I'll try cooperative living.
--Anthony
"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor
"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by SignyM:
One economic meltdown, caused by banks, lenders and insurances creating money out of thin air for maximum profit.
The other environmental, caused by an oil company cutting corners and refusing to credibly prepare for disaster.
The third health, caused by for-profit treatment of sick people, bleeding our economy dry and killing people in the process.
So keep sucking up to those nice corporations, folks! They only have YOUR interests in mind! (heh heh heh)
You're blind, on all 3 accounts.
But you don't care. Your mind is made up,regardless.
" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
China has massive pollution, government-funded ecological and humanitarian horrors such as the Three Gorges dam project, weekly mine disasters, and pretty much no protection for workers.
Those are pretty much the same qualities you pointed out in China when you claimed that capitalism was triumphing there. And it sounds like the libertarians' idea of paradise. Massive pollution? Well, sure, once they do away with the EPA and all its intrusive regulations. Ecological and humanitarian horrors? Check - all you have to do is look to the Gulf of Mexico and a certain peanut butter factory in Texas to see those capitalist-funded horrors. Weekly mine disasters? Yuppers. Pretty much no protection for workers? Well, you'd have to talk to your libertarian buddy antimason about that; he's been lobbying for doing away with minimum wage and government protection for workers for quite some time.
So the only problem y'all seem to have with the libertarian paradise that is China is the government. If the same issues were happening here - and they are - you'd likely claim it as just the cost of doing business the American way...
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The Social Welfare states in southern Europe are finding that they can't support their social programs on the taxes they collect from the capitalists.
The social welfare states in the southern United States are noticing the same thing. They just can't keep sustaining themselves without that government money coming in from better states.
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Present a better alternative, please. One that actually has a chance of working in a world of individuals with different goals and philosophies would be nice.
"One that actually has a chance of working..."
Well, that leaves capitalism out...
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So the only problem y'all seem to have with the libertarian paradise that is China is the government. If the same issues were happening here - and they are - you'd likely claim it as just the cost of doing business the American way...
Since when is China a libertarian paradise? There is almost NOTHING libertarian about China. In fact the only way China has become somewhat of a world power is through becoming more Capitalistic, and less communistic.
Capitalism has created more wealth for all social levels than any other system.
Are you Capitalism haters really suggesting we go to Socialism or Communism?
Give me ONE example where either of the systems hasn't resulted in ruin.
The financial crisis spoken about earlier can be directly attributed to the USA's steady march to socialism.
Look at Obama, he's nationalized the banks, the automakers and now the health care industry. What's next?
Reagan wasn't anywhere near perfect but his quote is 100% accurate. Everything that the government touches turns to crap. It's kinda like the Midas touch.
Why oh why do you socialists think that a government that can't run a "Cash for Clunkers" deal can run our economy without causing it to crash and burn?
Guess what Dems... "I can see November from my house!"
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I see Crazy Eddie has been all over this thread.
I think folk are beginning to realize, that reality has no impact on the minds of certain folk, they quite literally can not be reasoned with.
And that means there's only one other option, doesn't it ?
Thankfully folks completely immune to reason are rare, and self-destructive as hell, hopefully saving us the trouble.
Anthony, ponder for a while this point - those individuals are not exactly a threat without their little jackboot cuddling hordes, and they're in for a very rude shock when someone else who knows exactly how to do it says all the right keywords, flips all the right switches, and their pre-programmed horde turns on them because they've given in to that conditioning for so long they wouldn't know what free will was if you handed it to em on a plate, and never wanted it much in the first place.
And sometimes, the best use of a dangerous resource, is to use it up.
Sorry for being vague, but this is also an example for DT of how RWAs have certain tremendous gaps in their thinking that prevent them from effectively using intelligence cause they can't put it together, cannot make the logical assumptions with their plug-n-play, no-compare mindset, and so it comes across as gibberish to them, nor do they believe in their own vulnerabilities, so it's pointless to get all cloak and dagger about something you can tell em right to their faces and have them dismiss it, then having dismissed it, keep doing so on economy of effort right up till they get blindsided - you'll see.
-Frem
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Originally posted by MOOSE1942:
Since when is China a libertarian paradise? There is almost NOTHING libertarian about China. In fact the only way China has become somewhat of a world power is through becoming more Capitalistic, and less communistic.
Yes, and look at the problems THAT has led to for them. I point out their libertarian streak in the complete lack of workers' rights, lack of any kind of regulation in the workplace, lack of environmental regulation, rampant pollution, man-made ecological and humanitarian horrors, etc.
You didn't get that I was calling it a libertarian paradise in a mocking, sarcastic tone? Do you Republicans just not get sarcasm? Oh, that's right - you really don't; that's why y'all invited Stephen Colbert to the White House Correspondents' Dinner as the keynote speaker! You honestly thought he was one of you, and didn't realize until far, far too late that he has been mocking you for years.
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Capitalism has created more wealth for all social levels than any other system.
Well, it's certainly funneled more wealth to the top 1% than all other systems...
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Are you Capitalism haters really suggesting we go to Socialism or Communism?
If you've been paying attention, I've been pointing out for years that we're already a socialist society. Only the truly, aggressively stupid - those with their heads buried in the sand, or somewhere else - could say that this hasn't been the case.
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Give me ONE example where either of the systems hasn't resulted in ruin.
Just as soon as you give me one example of where pure capitalism hasn't resulted in the same.
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The financial crisis spoken about earlier can be directly attributed to the USA's steady march to socialism.
BBZZZZTTT! Wrong-O, Boy-O. The direct cause was DE-regulation, not OVER-regulation.
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Look at Obama, he's nationalized the banks, the automakers and now the health care industry. What's next?
He has? He "nationalized" the banks, automakers, and the entire health care industry? So I couldn't buy an American car if I wanted one, unless I bought it from the U.S. Government? I can't put my money in any bank or credit union that isn't wholly owned and run by the government? I no longer have the ability to go to a doctor and pay cash? I can't buy my own insurance?
Are you sure? Or are you lying? Oh, I'm sorry - that was harsh; are you EXAGGERATING in an untruthful way?
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Reagan wasn't anywhere near perfect but his quote is 100% accurate. Everything that the government touches turns to crap. It's kinda like the Midas touch.
Actually, that's called "the Midas touch in reverse". The Midas touch would be a better thing. And why is it that you would support ANYONE running for office in this country, if you think that everything the government touches, it turns to shit? Obviously you think Reagan was a piece of shit, then. He touched the government, and it sure as hell touched him. In fact, that "nationalized" socialist health care system that he got saved his life. I'm sure you wish it hadn't, right? ;)
Truth is, everything the REPUBLICANS touch turns to shit. Look at the deficit - Bush took us from a surplus to a $1.2 trillion yearly deficit in only 8 short years! He turned our military to shit. He turned Iraq to shit. He turned Afghanistan to shit. He turned out international reputation to shit. He turned our economy to shit. And all on borrowed money! What an accomplishment for you; you must be very proud. You corporatist toadies took the most robust economy in the world, and turned us into a third-world laughingstock, in less than 8 years. Amazing.
Every single time a Republican gets into office in the last 30 years, debts soar, deficits skyrocket, and they talk a line of bullshit about cutting spending and cutting the size of the government. It's never once happened, not in Reagan's time, not in either Bush's terms... but if only we'd give you a chance, you'd CHANGE, right? Yeah, right!
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Guess what, dummies - it's not looking any better for you this year than it did in '08
The delusion of the day..no, week.... year ?
Who is it looking better for then. Democrats are reeling from blunder after blunder by this administration and their leadership.
Not sure what'll be more priceless come Nov 3rd. Your precious expression that morning because you had no idea, or because you knew, and just didn't want to accept it.
" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.
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Sig hates corporations... no surprise here.
I even agree, to an extent with what she has to say.
Corporations are giant douches. But what keeps them in checK? Free markets.
Sorry, its true.
They act the assclown, don't buy their products. Cut off their oxygen, so to speak.
But that requires a free-market. Where people are FREE NOT to buy their shit.
How Sig can rail against corporations, then support government required revenue TO them just saddens me.
"I hate the horror that medical insurance comapanies are doing.... but I support ObamaCare"
WTF?
Seriously...
WTF???
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Signy, good point. Corporations can really screw things up.
But, if you want to kill millions of people, in a war, or a genocide, you need a government. Of course, if you want to start a plague, or enslave the planet debt, you need a global charity.
I agree they could be reigned in, especially if you don't have to hand more power to someone more evil than corporations. Important that one not kill the progress of medicine and technology in the aim to control abuse.
All that said, solutions?
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