Three disasters, one cause: profit
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, June 14, 2010 21:15
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Communism and Socialism are equivalent in the same way that Corporatism and Capitalism are equivalent.
Cit, I see where you're coming from on this one
IMHO,, corporatism comes about when you have a large scale socialist govt. And a large scale corporate private sector, and nothing keeping the two apart. Since we know corporatism is corporation+govt, and that this si driven by corporate greed (or govt desire to dodge accountability by morphing into corporate form, ie blackwater security) then there has to be a govt budget worth stealing, and a fair power base there.
Communism IMHO happens when socialism has no competition, which is typically because it has used govt power to force out any possible competition.
Capitalism has some very very serious flaws, but it doesn't auto morph into corporatism.
Its a conundrum. Capitalism run amok isn't stopped by govt regulation because govt powerful enough to regulate is govt worth taking over via corporatism. Communism is govt. Run amok, and without a working private escort, or even private sector (ipad also runs amok, converting sector to escort;) ) without a working private sector with the protections of something like the 14th, you're back to govt. Takeover again.
We have a problem right now with "mountaintop removal" and also "franking." the thing is, the companies doing the mining that is destroying the land don't even own the land they're mining. It's much like the ocean drilling, fishing, etc, and other things such as logging in national forests. There's no strong concept of law here, because govt will look the other way. This seems to go on regardless of govt structure, with socialist leaning capitalism in brazil, or pure socialism like in Venezuela, or Chinese communism or whatever it is that we have here in the US. Listening to the lies of Rand Paul, moron du jour, we would likely have this problem in pure capitalism
Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Frem
Re, open source govt, have you read aristideds "eyes of the heart"? It's a good take on human economy.
There is a problem with the idea, which is such a society would only go as far as it thinks it has to, and you likely wouldn't get the kind of disaster preparedness you see in japan.
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Wow. This thread is one big liberal circle jerk....Carry on.....
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Really? I thought it was more like intra-faction warfare, only they're kind of just throwing erasers at each other.
Liberalism is technically pro-capitalist, or at least in the classical sense. This is an argument between an anti-capitalist cross-section of the left wing spectrum, with you and Geezer throwing in the occasional pro-capitalist right wing comments, and DT is fairly centrist.
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Quote:Of course it does. I know you're a small businessman... a farmer to be exact, and you quite naturally think small business is important.
Capitalism has some very very serious flaws, but it doesn't auto morph into corporatism.
If we could have small-business capitalism that STAYED small-business capitalism, there wouldn't be any problem. But capitalism has already morphed in the corporatism... it started roughly 150 years ago in the USA... and has steadily marched on ever since, towards bigger and bigger business... regional, then national, then international. And while small businesses exist and indeed employ large numbers of people, it is large businesses like auto manufacturers, banks, insurances, utilities etc. which dominate our daily lives and the overall health of the economy.
Ignoring the presence and effect of corporatism/ monopolism in capitalism falls pretty much into the realm of "wishful thinking". If you really want to do something about the worst excesses of capitalism, you have to take control of the biggest players. I know that's a tough assignment and a lot of hard work, but until you accept that you'll be leaving the field to them and contenting yourself with playing outside of the ballpark.
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Sig,
Read my earlier post on how communism and corporatism happen, it was addressed to citizen, I think we were reaching an accord there.
Also, re the first post on this thread, I am going to hedge my bets on item 3. Hospitals are not strictly speaking free market enterprises, they are already some sort of business government merger like universities. On drug companies, you have a point, but i think most of the damage, or at least an equal share is being done by hospitals. If socialized medicine is the alternative, we need to more closely examine the death rates in some of the large scale socialized operations, since that's what we would get here in the US. Remember I posted in the last healthcare debate, and all previous ones, that I have no problem with healthcare being given over to the states. It's the Feds I don't want in my healthcare. Ideally, id want it to be small and local, or self driven, or both.
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Silly bytemite, a kaneman sees what she wants to see, not whats actually there.
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