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Stand with Arizona

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 16, 2010 21:28
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MOMCARP

Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:25 PM

Wow, you do write long posts.

True, probable cause is pretty vague.

Some people think their civil rights are violated by being stopped if they're driving over the speed limit.

If I were driving in Mexico, the police could stop me for any reason, and I'd still need to have ID.
Every person in America for any reason should have ID, at least if they're driving.

My daughter and her husband live in Texas, and they've been pulled over a couple of times just because they have tattoos and drive an old Mercury. Pissed me off when I heard about it. They didn't like it, but it goes with the territory.

I agree with you that if the Feds would enforce the law against employers who hire illegals, would be no problem.

NIKI2

Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:09 PM

Yup, I'm known for posting long (as are Frem and DT and others). It's important to give you ALL the facts, and what they mean. Thank you for reading, if you read it all. Those of us who care need to know the FACTS on issues, not just what our personal experience has led us to believe.

Of course drivers should have an ID. But should only people who "look" Hispanic have papers proving their citizenship on them at all times? Should only people who "look" Hispanic be demanded to show their citizenship papers, if just walking down the street, or standing in the wrong place, or dropping a piece of paper on the sidewalk, or, or, or...

What someone may THINK constitutes their civil rights is one thing; what actually DOES constitute one's civil rights is another: THAT's the point. You say look at both sides; I agree your side has a problem, and I want to see it solved. Can YOU agree the other side has good reason for not wanting this law?

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

KWICKO

Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by momcarp:
Wow, you do write long posts.

True, probable cause is pretty vague.

Some people think their civil rights are violated by being stopped if they're driving over the speed limit.

If I were driving in Mexico, the police could stop me for any reason, and I'd still need to have ID.

I love this argument. "Mexico is so oppressive. We should be just like Mexico."

Shouldn't you be glad we AREN'T like Mexico, rather than trying to use their abuses and Napoleonic code of law as your template for why we should emulate them? I used to hear that same argument about flag burning: "You can't do that in CHINA!" To which my response was, "Boy, it's a good thing we don't live in China then, isn't it?"

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Every person in America for any reason should have ID, at least if they're driving.

And proof of insurance, too. But would you advocate walking up on people in line at the movie theatre and demanding to see their insurance paperwork? How about their health insurance coverage? After all, they might be sick, and they're in a public place, so they may be a health hazard. All for your own good, don'tchya know!

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My daughter and her husband live in Texas, and they've been pulled over a couple of times just because they have tattoos and drive an old Mercury. Pissed me off when I heard about it. They didn't like it, but it goes with the territory.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't "go with the territory", and it pisses me off when people just meekly accept this kind of intrusion. I live in Texas, and I don't accept this kind of bullshit without a fight.

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I agree with you that if the Feds would enforce the law against employers who hire illegals, would be no problem.

Is it ALL the feds' job? Should local law enforcement share any of the workload in that department?

And did YOU ever turn in any of the "illegal" crews you worked with? If not, why not? Weren't you in effect aiding and abetting at that point, if you didn't alert someone and turn them in?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

MOMCARP

Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:23 PM

I believe that people of Hispanic descent who are legal citizens have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Runaway imaginations are turning blowing this out of proportion. Although the law was only recently signed, there are no reports of masses of hispanics being rounded up and put in death camps.

I respect your intellect, and enjoy reading your posts.
Jen

MOMCARP

Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:30 PM

I told the boss I would no longer work in a house where these yahoos were working.

Never stand next to someone in a supermarket in L.A. who has a bad cough.

If you pick a fight with a trooper in Texas, they'll think of a reason to shoot you.

Different viewpoints are good.

Excuse me, I have to go plant some baby eggplants and squash to feed my family after the government opens the borders and Mexico begins the full scale invasion. :)

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, May 14, 2010 5:14 AM

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Originally posted by momcarp:
This law is bulletproof, and the authors made every effort to work within the framework of the Constitution.

I've been hearing that if taken to the supreme court it will be reversed because the constitution expresses that protection of borders is a federal, not state, responsibility. A shame if true.

Here in Indiana we are moving to copy the AZ model. A state senator will be introducing identical measures into our general assembly when it reconvenes.

KWICKO

Friday, May 14, 2010 12:07 PM

How very libertarian of you.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, May 14, 2010 1:20 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/holder-hasnt-read-ariz
-law-he-criticized/

After bashing and demonizing Arizona Law for weeks now, and threatening a Federal lawsuit, mentally-challenged AG Eric Holder admitted during the week, and was then challenged on Meet The Press Sunday that he has never actually read Arizona's new law. What a tool! What insane hysteria by the Left over this. Their boycotts will mainly hurt Arizona's Hispanic employees in the tourism and hospitality industries, forcing many of them to re-locate to California. I'm sure Californians don't mind tens of thousands more suckling up to the State teat; after all, they're only a mere $20 billion in debt.

KWICKO

Friday, May 14, 2010 1:29 PM

Jongsie, have YOU read the law?

By the way, sounds like you're all for boycotting Arizona. Thanks for your support!

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, May 14, 2010 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, sounds like you're all for boycotting Arizona. Thanks for your support

It does? Man, you're even more delusional than previously thought. As a matter of fact, I changed my vacation plans to now include a trip with the family to the beautiful state of Arizona. Living in Florida, I have a year-round tan, my skin is darker than most white folks' skin, so if the police stop me for running a red light, or if they stop me for suspicion of bank robbery, I will be more than happy to show them ID. No big deal.