Stand with Arizona

POSTED BY: AURaptor
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AURAPTOR

Monday, May 10, 2010 2:59 PM

Anthony

You pose 2 different scenarios.

1, you merely walking down the street, and a cop, for no reason, pulls up, singles you out, and asks for your papers. That can't happen. Not w/ the new law

2. If you're involved in a situation where law enforcement has reasonable cause to engage with you, from anything like jay walking , a traffic incident, or a bank robbery, then they do have the right to ask for your papers.

This law is no different than the federal law, which has been in place for quite some time already. There's only the " threat " of enforcing such law, and I'm quite o.k. with that.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, May 10, 2010 3:03 PM

I, for one, am boycotting Arizona.

I'm an immigrant. Nuff said.

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, May 10, 2010 3:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1, you merely walking down the street, and a cop, for no reason, pulls up, singles you out, and asks for your papers. That can't happen. Not w/ the new law

For course it can.

My husband was walking down the street at 11:30 pm. Cops stop him, asks for ID. He said, "I don't have any on me." They arrest him for vagrancy.

Yup. Vagrancy. Just for walking without an ID.

It happens every day in America. Esp if you look poor or non-white. God help you if you are both poor AND non-white.

ANTHONYT

Monday, May 10, 2010 3:12 PM

Hello,

As Sky has aptly demonstrated, a police officer can find many reasons to have lawful contact with you. You must have a truly noble mindset to believe that law enforcement officers only use the tools we give them for the good of humanity.

Every law is a tool in their toolbox. We offer them much to harass us with. Now, they have a shiny new discrimination tool, and they can use it for that purpose without claiming to.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 10, 2010 3:42 PM

There is no discrimination tool here.

The citizens of AZ are faced with a very real, very growing problem of too much crime and too many illegals. This isn't a philosophical dance here. We're not talking hypotheticals. Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD.

I wish folks would wake the hell up and face reality.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

ANTHONYT

Monday, May 10, 2010 4:49 PM

"Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD."

Hello,

I would love to see more information on this.

I have lived here since 2004 and somehow I have failed to realize the criminal crisis that is suffocating me and threatening my livelihood.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

KWICKO

Monday, May 10, 2010 4:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD."

Hello,

I would love to see more information on this.

I have lived here since 2004 and somehow I have failed to realize the criminal crisis that is suffocating me and threatening my livelihood.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Good luck, Anthony - I've been asking for that info for a couple weeks now. It's usually met with either (a) no response at all, or (b) a response that I'm a petulant child who is unworthy of receiving Rappy's special attention, therefore no such cites or facts will be forthcoming.

I'm led to the conclusion that this is a talking point that he got from Rush Limbaugh.

I *was* able to find some crime stats, and New Orleans was pegged as having one of the highest murder rates, just behind Caracas, Venezuela - which of course *should* mean that New Orleans in being overrun with Venezuela...

Of course, then you end up having to explain that whole idea of correlation being not equal to causation.

Anyhow, in lieu of any clarifying facts, cites, or studies, I'm prepared to take Rappy's claims about Phoenix as nothing more valid than his opinion.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

STORYMARK

Monday, May 10, 2010 5:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I would love to see more information on this.

I'm looking. Can't find anything that actually says this, or even anything close, AT ALL.

Untill he manages to come up with some citation, I'll just lump it in with the gajilion other imaginary RapFacts - just so much more bullshit in the ever flowing stream he provides.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ANTHONYT

Monday, May 10, 2010 5:08 PM

Hello,

This is the best crime statistic chart I could find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Which suggests that the majority of illegal immigrants coming up from Mexico are actually committing their crimes in New York. They even like Chicago more than Phoenix.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 10, 2010 5:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD."

Hello,

I would love to see more information on this.

I have lived here since 2004 and somehow I have failed to realize the criminal crisis that is suffocating me and threatening my livelihood.

--Anthony

You're kidding, right? I know it's not your usual M.O., but I have to ask, because it's so easily discoverable.....

Quote:

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
Washington Too Concerned With al Qaeda Terrorists to Care, Officials Say

By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009

In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave,Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.

"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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