Stand with Arizona
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 16, 2010 21:28
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1, you merely walking down the street, and a cop, for no reason, pulls up, singles you out, and asks for your papers. That can't happen. Not w/ the new law
For course it can.
My husband was walking down the street at 11:30 pm. Cops stop him, asks for ID. He said, "I don't have any on me." They arrest him for vagrancy.
Yup. Vagrancy. Just for walking without an ID.
It happens every day in America. Esp if you look poor or non-white. God help you if you are both poor AND non-white.
Yup. It happens even if you're NOT poor, if you ARE white, and just happen to live in a predominantly poor, non-white neighborhood. When I first moved to the east side of Austin, to a very cheap neighborhood with few white residents, I got pulled over twice in my car and about a half-dozen times on foot, because cops wanted to know what I was doing in that area after dark. I even had one cop laugh at me when I told him that I lived just down the street, and was out for a walk, because he didn't believe me.
And if I hadn't filed my change of address with the DPS, I'd have gone to jail at least one time, because my license still had my old address on it, and the one with the new address hadn't come yet. Luckily, I had the temporary paper one with the new address listed.
And bear in mind that I was being VERY polite to the officer, I wasn't getting indignant or upset, I was very cooperative, and he STILL didn't quite believe me. I asked him to follow me to the house so I could unlock the door, invite him in for coffee, show him the utility bills in my name, introduce him to my dogs, et cetera, whereupon he finally relented and took my word for it.
Mike
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD."
Hello,
I would love to see more information on this.
I have lived here since 2004 and somehow I have failed to realize the criminal crisis that is suffocating me and threatening my livelihood.
--Anthony
You're kidding, right? I know it's not your usual M.O., but I have to ask, because it's so easily discoverable.....Quote:
Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
Washington Too Concerned With al Qaeda Terrorists to Care, Officials Say
By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009
In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave,Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.
"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
Well, you've certainly found a blog where the same claim is made. A Google search can find tons more references to that blog, yet so far not a single one of them has cited any kind of REAL crime statistics, studies, government information, or anything else that backs up that claim. ABC News's blog gives no citation for their figures, either. I guess you're just taking their word for it, huh?
I saw where a city attorney from Phoenix claimed there were more than 400 kidnappings in 2008, so I guess that "370 last year alone" claim means that kidnappings have already dropped off by almost 10%, BEFORE this new law existed...
Mike
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Hello,
My singular experience with crime in the city of Phoenix involved a white anglo-saxon neighbor who brandished a firearm and fired it in the vicinity of my wife. I have since moved from that neighborhood, whose residents were 80 percent hispanic. (A bunch of illegal immigrants and gangsters, according to the air conditioner deliveryman who installed my wall-shaker.)
I am shocked to hear this blogger report that we have the second-highest kidnapping rate in the world. I wonder who is being kidnapped, and to what purpose? One would think the local paper would be plastered with front page articles about it. "John Hardy, Pizza Hut deliveryman, Kidnapped! Kidnappers want $20,000 for his safe return."
I feel there is an element to this story that is escaping me. I didn't think I was living in such ignorance. It troubles me that someone thousands of miles away can have a better handle on the criminal crisis surrounding me than I do.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
My singular experience with crime in the city of Phoenix involved a white anglo-saxon neighbor who brandished a firearm and fired it in the vicinity of my wife. I have since moved from that neighborhood, whose residents were 80 percent hispanic. (A bunch of illegal immigrants and gangsters, according to the air conditioner deliveryman who installed my wall-shaker.)
I am shocked to hear this blogger report that we have the second-highest kidnapping rate in the world. I wonder who is being kidnapped, and to what purpose? One would think the local paper would be plastered with front page articles about it. "John Hardy, Pizza Hut deliveryman, Kidnapped! Kidnappers want $20,000 for his safe return."
I feel there is an element to this story that is escaping me. I didn't think I was living in such ignorance. It troubles me that someone thousands of miles away can have a better handle on the criminal crisis surrounding me than I do.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
Anthony, you're killing me. That was the most polite way of saying "Bullshit!" that I've ever heard in my life.
You, sir, should be a diplomat.
Mike
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There is no discrimination tool here.
The citizens of AZ are faced with a very real, very growing problem of too much crime and too many illegals. This isn't a philosophical dance here. We're not talking hypotheticals. Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate IN THE WORLD.
I wish folks would wake the hell up and face reality.
/B]
Reality check...
From:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/phoenix-area/582724-kidnapping-national
-coverage-1.html
"Unless you are an illegal being smuggled into the US, then kidnapping will be as far removed from your experiences here as shoveling snow.
Here's how the statistics get run up. Sheriff Joe busts a drop house where Mexicans who have been smuggled in to the country are being forced to call relatives and friends to pay ransom to set them free. Every alien who is in the house when the bust goes down results in a "kidnapping" charge against the coyote (smugglers). It's pretty easy to run up 15, 20 or more kidnapping statistics for each drop house bust. It is kidnapping in that people are being held against their will for ransom, but it is not the same as you are probably thinking.
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/phoenix-area/582724-kidnapping-national
-coverage.html#ixzz0nYMGanip
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Hello,
So it's not John Hardy, the Pizza Hut deliveryman, then?
This is very much what I suspected. That the 'kidnapping' was happening to the illegal immigrants primarily.
--Anthony
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Hello,
On the topic of the dangers of illegal immigration, it appears that a film director named 'Rodriguez' has recently gone undercover to produce a documentary about the problem.
See the story here: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2010/05/06/2010-05-06_
robert_rodriguez_cuts_illegal_trailer_for_machete_to_protest_arizona_immigration.html
There is also a clip from the documentary included in the article.
The imagery is rather disturbing, so you may not want to view this at work.
--Anthony
P.S. I hope my attempts at humor do not ruin my reputation as a serious contributer.
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Lol
What progs, dems, and libs refuse to say is..
The Arizona law might actually work.
And (heaven forbid) Texas adopts the same thing? Jeebus Crisco!
Why, 75% of the border will finally be shut down!
NO!
Where will the progs get their voters from?!!
What will happen to the doomsday predictions of 2050?!! When white folks will be the minority?!!
Heavens to betsy!
Cry raciss!
Stop this now!!!
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