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Stand with Arizona

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 16, 2010 21:28
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AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 8, 2010 12:44 PM

Here is your chance to stand up to the open-borders thugs and stand with Arizona:
Saturday, May 29. Tempe, Arizona.

STAND WITH ARIZONA!!!

On Saturday, May 29th, patriots from across the United States will be coming together in the Phoenix area to Stand With Arizona

If you support Arizona's right to pass reasonable laws for the protection of its own citizens, you are hereby invited to JOIN US on May 29th in Phoenix.

http://standwitharizona.org/

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KWICKO

Saturday, May 8, 2010 1:44 PM

I hope every Hispanic law enforcement officer in Arizona shows up to demand every white protester's papers. Should be fun.

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 8, 2010 2:28 PM

70% of the people in AZ and the USA support the law, all this law does is "enforce" the law on the books. Obama and his do nothing administration will not do it because it's really hard. The majority WILL stand with AZ, watch what happens in November.

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PIZMOBEACH

Saturday, May 8, 2010 2:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I hope every Hispanic law enforcement officer in Arizona shows up to demand every white protester's papers. Should be fun.

It would make sense if whites or asians or blacks were coming across the border illegally - I would applaud those Latino Law Enforcement folk for doing their job.

Mike - I think you're so wrapped up in NOT being racist, and being the good guy (and hating AU) that you can't look at the situation objectively. I'm sorry to say that since over the years I've been wearing the "Mike Is Right!" button almost every day.

Let me try a real world situation: You own a print shop in Arizona and you're hiring. 2 blacks, 2 whites and 2 Latinos show up to apply for the job. Are you going to wonder if all of them are legal? Or just the Latinos? It's not wrong to wonder, you business may be on the line. And if you feel the right answer is to ask everyone for their papers then I'd like you to go get that last 20 page, 2 pixel font "privacy policy" that came from your card company, because that kind of PC "cover our asses" way of doing anything is going to start getting written into more of what you can and can't do. Maybe we should all be lawyers and inter marry?

AU - Geebus, you're killing me. "Patriot???" WTF? Has nothing to do with Patriotism and using that is such a tired ploy from desperate typically, genuinely racist white folk. Will there be Confederate flags and pick-ups and guns? Oops! Racism! Bet there will be though - see, it works!

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KWICKO

Saturday, May 8, 2010 3:00 PM

Piz: The LAW is that you DO have to check peoples' papers when you're hiring. I don't know about you, but every job I've had, I've had to provide ID, tax info, AND my social security card and/or birth certificate.

I think what you're not seeing is that I'm asking that employers be responsible to check EVERYONE'S background and status when hiring.

And just to play devil's advocate - I now know exactly how to get into this country if I'm any kind of illegal or terrorist. Go through Arizona or New Mexico, and their porous borders. And since, as you've pointed out, only Hispanics are illegals, then I know that if I'm black, Asian, or caucasian, I'll have no problems at all, and nobody will ever find me or ask for my papers.

The problem when you apply any law only to ONE group is that you blind yourself to every group that doesn't fit. I thought Frem pointed that out pretty well with his burqa disguise that he used on his Muslim friend, who never saw him as any kind of threat, because women aren't even seen in some cultures.

Apply the same laws equally to everyone, and ask yourself how comfortable YOU would be with the kind of treatment you don't mind being done to someone else. That's all I've proposed. To read more into it is really reaching.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 8, 2010 3:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Piz: The LAW is that you DO have to check peoples' papers when you're hiring. I don't know about you, but every job I've had, I've had to provide ID, tax info, AND my social security card and/or birth certificate.

I think what you're not seeing is that I'm asking that employers be responsible to check EVERYONE'S background and status when hiring.

And just to play devil's advocate - I now know exactly how to get into this country if I'm any kind of illegal or terrorist. Go through Arizona or New Mexico, and their porous borders. And since, as you've pointed out, only Hispanics are illegals, then I know that if I'm black, Asian, or caucasian, I'll have no problems at all, and nobody will ever find me or ask for my papers.

The problem when you apply any law only to ONE group is that you blind yourself to every group that doesn't fit. I thought Frem pointed that out pretty well with his burqa disguise that he used on his Muslim friend, who never saw him as any kind of threat, because women aren't even seen in some cultures.

Apply the same laws equally to everyone, and ask yourself how comfortable YOU would be with the kind of treatment you don't mind being done to someone else. That's all I've proposed. To read more into it is really reaching.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

Apply it equally?! In Arizona?! Mexicans are the bulk of the illegals Kwicy! They're the ones doing all the damage! Suspecting a strange acting Latino in Arizona of "possibly" being illegal is not a hate crime! If a shady looking middle eastern type was pulled out of line for a flight you were about to get on would you yell, HEY! Leave him alone! Give the 80 year old woman with the cane the cavity search you bigot!

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, May 8, 2010 3:51 PM

Pizmo, the point is it's a race based policy. You don't have to be in favor of immigration, documented or otherwise to think it's wrong.

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 8, 2010 4:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo, the point is it's a race based policy. You don't have to be in favor of immigration, documented or otherwise to think it's wrong.

Prove it, show me in the law where the word "race" is printed? You libs in your quest to be fair are going to get people hurt. I don't see you libs doing alot secure the boarders, if your not going to help, then boycott Arizona Ice Tea then SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

NIKI2

Saturday, May 8, 2010 5:22 PM

Just for informational purposes: What I could find in a quick search:

According to Gallup, as of April 29th ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/127598/Americans-Favor-Oppose-Arizona-Immig
ration-Law.aspx), of All Americans:

Favor: 39%
Oppose: 30%
No Opinion: 31%

So it’s about evenly divided. The difference is when you poll for people who have heard or read about the law:

Of those who have heard/read a great deal:

Favor: 53%
Oppose:43%
No opinion:4%

Of those who have heard/read “a fair amount:

Favor: 51%
Oppose: 41%
No opinion: 5%

Of those who have not heard/read much:

Favor: 41%
Oppose: 31%
No opinion: 28%

Via Politico:

Quote:
Just more than half of the people who have heard of the law are in favor of a tough new immigration law in Arizona, according to a Gallup poll out Thursday.

Fifty-one percent of those polled nationwide who said they have heard of the new law favor the measure, which grants police to right to ask to see proof of citizenship from anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. Thirty-nine percent said they oppose it.

Three-quarters of the Republicans and half of the independents polled said they approve of the law. Only 34 percent of Democrats said the same.

Seventy-eight percent of the people contact by Gallup said they had either heard a "great deal" or a "fair amount" about the state law.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36567.html

It’s only a sampling, but I think it shows that somebody’s figures are just a teeeeny bit off. It’s no “70%, except in Arizona; the rest of the country, of those who know nothing specifically about of the law, it’s about evenly divided. We’d have to find out what everyone thinks once they understand the law before we could get an accurate tally.

As to Hispanic population of Arizona, over several years, in proportion to illegal immigrants and Hispanics in general (legal and illegal):

In 2010, there were an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state (Chapman, Steve (23 April 2010). "How immigration crackdowns backfire". Washington, DC: Washington Examiner. pp. 31. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/How-immigration-crac
kdowns-backfire-91842259.html). These constituted an estimated 7.9% of the population. (Slevin, Peter (30 April 2010). "New Arizona law puts police in 'tenuous' spot". Washington, DC: Washington Post. pp. A4. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010
042904970.html?sid=ST2010042905051)

Another says of Phoenix:

Quote:
Races, 2005 Data (% change from 2000 census):
White: 48.29% (-7.49%)
Hispanic or Latino: 41.76% (+7.70%)
Other race: 15.00% (-1.40%)

http://www.usbeacon.com/Arizona/Phoenix.html

From American Thinker, April 2010:

Quote:
The estimated Hispanic population of Arizona is 29.5%. Arizona is the front lines of illegal immigration, with an estimated half a million illegal immigrants out of a population of 6.6 million. In Arizona illegal immigrants constitute approximately 7.5% of population, about twice the national average, estimated as 3.75% (11.6 out of 309 million).

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/04/is_arizona_racist.html

As of 2008:

Quote:
The Census Bureau recently released population estimates of the states' Hispanic populations through 2007. In Arizona, 59 percent of Arizona's population are Anglo; 41 percent are non-White. Hispanics make up 30 percent of the population.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0505datacentra
l05.html?&wired

About.com:

Quote:
The U.S. Census Bureau has released their data estimates on population statistics for the period ending July 1, 2005. Hispanic/Latino: 1,668,524; White: 4,440,804.

http://phoenix.about.com/od/statistics/a/racestats2005.htm That’s a total of 6,109,328)

I’m not counting other races. Nobody can know the exact figures, and even the 2010 census won’t give us exact figures since it’s tough to count illegals, but it’s enough to give an idea. It has nothing

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 8, 2010 5:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Just for informational purposes: What I could find in a quick search:

According to Gallup, as of April 29th ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/127598/Americans-Favor-Oppose-Arizona-Immig
ration-Law.aspx), of All Americans:

Favor: 39%
Oppose: 30%
No Opinion: 31%

So it’s about evenly divided. The difference is when you poll for people who have heard or read about the law:

Of those who have heard/read a great deal:

Favor: 53%
Oppose:43%
No opinion:4%

Of those who have heard/read “a fair amount:

Favor: 51%
Oppose: 41%
No opinion: 5%

Of those who have not heard/read much:

Favor: 41%
Oppose: 31%
No opinion: 28%

Via Politico:
Quote:
Just more than half of the people who have heard of the law are in favor of a tough new immigration law in Arizona, according to a Gallup poll out Thursday.

Fifty-one percent of those polled nationwide who said they have heard of the new law favor the measure, which grants police to right to ask to see proof of citizenship from anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. Thirty-nine percent said they oppose it.

Three-quarters of the Republicans and half of the independents polled said they approve of the law. Only 34 percent of Democrats said the same.

Seventy-eight percent of the people contact by Gallup said they had either heard a "great deal" or a "fair amount" about the state law.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36567.html

It’s only a sampling, but I think it shows that somebody’s figures are just a teeeeny bit off. It’s no “70%, except in Arizona; the rest of the country, of those who know nothing specifically about of the law, it’s about evenly divided. We’d have to find out what everyone thinks once they understand the law before we could get an accurate tally.

As to Hispanic population of Arizona, over several years, in proportion to illegal immigrants and Hispanics in general (legal and illegal):

In 2010, there were an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state (Chapman, Steve (23 April 2010). "How immigration crackdowns backfire". Washington, DC: Washington Examiner. pp. 31. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/How-immigration-crac
kdowns-backfire-91842259.html). These constituted an estimated 7.9% of the population. (Slevin, Peter (30 April 2010). "New Arizona law puts police in 'tenuous' spot". Washington, DC: Washington Post. pp. A4. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010
042904970.html?sid=ST2010042905051)

Another says of Phoenix:
Quote:
Races, 2005 Data (% change from 2000 census):
White: 48.29% (-7.49%)
Hispanic or Latino: 41.76% (+7.70%)
Other race: 15.00% (-1.40%)
http://www.usbeacon.com/Arizona/Phoenix.html

From American Thinker, April 2010:
Quote:
The estimated Hispanic population of Arizona is 29.5%. Arizona is the front lines of illegal immigration, with an estimated half a million illegal immigrants out of a population of 6.6 million. In Arizona illegal immigrants constitute approximately 7.5% of population, about twice the national average, estimated as 3.75% (11.6 out of 309 million).
Quote:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/04/is_arizona_racist.html

As of 2008:
Quote:
The Census Bureau recently released population estimates of the states' Hispanic populations through 2007. In Arizona, 59 percent of Arizona's population are Anglo; 41 percent are non-White. Hispanics make up 30 percent of the population.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0505datacentra
l05.html?&wired

About.com:
Quote:
The U.S. Census Bureau has released their data estimates on population statistics for the period ending July 1, 2005. Hispanic/Latino: 1,668,524; White: 4,440,804.
http://phoenix.about.com/od/statistics/a/racestats2005.htm That’s a total of 6,109,328)

I’m not counting other races. Nobody can know the exact figures, and even the 2010 census won’t give us exact figures since it’s tough to count illegals, but it’s e

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