Net Neutrality: Almost Gone
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2023 18:29
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I want the Gov't out of my internets.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
Better to have Comcast control what we see than to have regulation, huh.
Cuttin off your nose to spite yer face. Great.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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I disagree, Story - I got a list of dirt on Comcast you'd find hard to believe, up to and including them taking out an ad in a local paper *demanding* the residents of Farmington, MI recall their mayor for not handing them a total monopoly - and then retaliating severely when rebuffed.
I don't care for the idea of Gov regulation either, but in this case it's using a pair of evils to grind each other up instead of us.
I honestly prefer the Govs and the Corps at each others throats instead of mutually salivating over ours while sharpening the knife in tandem.
So that's my position on it.
-Frem
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NO, the internet was a DARPA project.
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DARPA's initial role was to jump start American research in technology, find safeguards against a space-based missile attack and to reclaim the technological lead from the USSR. After only 18 months after the creation of DARPA, the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency had developed and deployed the first US satellite. DARPA went on to have a direct contribution to the development of the Internet by appointing Joseph Licklider to head the new Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO).
It was the job of the IPTO to further the work previously done by members of the "SAGE" (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) program and develop technologies to protect the US against a space-based nuclear attack.
Licklider envisaged the potential benefits of a countrywide communications network, influencing his successors to implement his vision and to hire Lawrence Roberts who at that time was carrying out research with networks which was also being funded by DARPA.
Roberts led development of the ARPANet network architecture, and based it on the new idea of packet switching. A special computer called an Interface Message Processor was developed to realise the design. The ARPANet first went live in October 1969, with communications between the University of California in Los Angeles and the Stanford Research Institute.
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ah, okay. I new Stanford was involved somehow, but I couldn't remember the specifics.
But I've heard the CERN thing as well... Are we sure there weren't multiple groups who had the idea at around the same time? Are we sure this isn't propaganda to assert that the internet was an entirely American invention?
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I disagree, Story - I got a list of dirt on Comcast you'd find hard to believe, up to and including them taking out an ad in a local paper *demanding* the residents of Farmington, MI recall their mayor for not handing them a total monopoly - and then retaliating severely when rebuffed.
I don't care for the idea of Gov regulation either, but in this case it's using a pair of evils to grind each other up instead of us.
-Frem
Uh....that's why I was being sarcastic-like.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Uh....that's why I was being sarcastic-like.
Oh, sorry bout that.
Yeah, there doesn't really seem to be a "good" solution here so much as a varying degree of "not as bad as the other" kinda ones.
Makes one feel kinda like the cow as the two butchers argue over hamburger vs steak, dunnit ?
-F
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I signed & passed it along, FWIW.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Where's Al Gore when ya need him?
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Makes one feel kinda like the cow as the two butchers argue over hamburger vs steak, dunnit ?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
That's funny, Rappy, since government INVENTED the internet. You sound like the guy who didn't want government to interfere with his Medicare.
Gov't did not " invent " the internet. It was private sector ingenuity that took the idea and ran with it....
It's about the free transfer of information. YOU want it to be controlled by the Gov't ?
Fuck that.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Quote:Yes,it did. It was a defense project to create an uninterruptable communication system that could be used in times of warfare. The concept was that data packets could be sent out on different pathways ... even use satellite communication... and still be reintegrated at the end. If you will notice, the initial players (besides DARPA) were universities. The first US satellite communication was by the government. The first geosynchronous comsats were launched by NASA (which BTW are still in orbit). The idea of geosynchronous orbits was first explored by soviet (government) rocket scientists and proposed by a science fiction write; Arthur Clarke. The launch vehicles were all government (Thor and Delta rockets) Even the router (CISCO) was invented by a university geek, Bill Yeager. Unfortunately,
Gov't did not " invent " the internet.
Quote:www.networkworld.com/supp/2006/anniversary/032706-routerman.html
William (Bill) Yeager is 66 and still gets peeved when someone trots out the Silicon Valley fable about how the founders of Cisco invented the router. He was the guy at Stanford University that made it happen.
So AFA the "invention" of the internet, business was nowhere involved. Your denial is limitless, but at least other people can learn the facts, even if you can't.
Quote:There is a difference between inventing something and implementing it. But in the case of the internet, business did not do the main share of implementation. In fact, most of the servers worldwide run on some version of Linux and Sun, which are free software, and the protocols are agreed on by international standards bodies. www.w3.org www.isc.org
It was private sector ingenuity that took the idea and ran with it....
Funny thing is, business CAN take credit for blue-sky research... but you just haven't figured out what that was. Hint: Not the internet.
Quote:Here's the thing, Rappy: The government doesn't want the internet controlled by ANYONE. It's like the free speech clause in the Constitution. I know it's a little hard for you to grasp, since you seem to think that freedom drips from corporations like honey, but the government is trying to guarantee your totally unfettered access to the lines of communication.
It's about the free transfer of information. YOU want it to be controlled by the Gov't ?
You? Sheesh. Get some knowledge goin', boy, 'cause you don't know which side your bread is buttered on.
Or you're a big-time stock player, and you DO know, and you think we're stupid enough to buy your crap. Either way, go shovel it elsewhere.
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