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Net Neutrality: Almost Gone

POSTED BY: SignyM
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SIGNYM

Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:22 PM

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No, it wasn't. That was just the will of the extreme, very far Left. Thankfully, we're not that country.

Except 51+% of us, which.. last time I checked... is called a majority.
Poll: Majority of Iowans favor public insurance option
http://iowaindependent.com/28532/poll-majority-of-iowans-favor-public-
insurance-option

Poll: Majority in N.C. favors public option
www.wral.com/news/local/story/6329551/

Public option gains support: CLEAR MAJORITY NOW BACKS PLAN
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR20091019024
51.html

Support for Public Options Remains Strong, Polls Show
www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5401123-503544.html

I could go on an on, but if you notice, this info is from state and local polls as well as national. Wherever you're getting your info is seriously wrong. And I'm gonna ask you: Who benefits from the current HCR?

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or not do business with any, if I so choose

Oh yeah? Good luck with that!

So, for the foreseeable future... don't use any electricity, natural gas, water, gasoline, or diesel. Don't communicate. Don't use any software. Don't watch TV or listen to radio. Don't buy any food. Don't get medical care. Don't buy any cars, furniture, appliances ... or anything else, for that matter. Don't use currency. Don't bank. For God's sake, DON'T trade stocks, corporate bonds, or anything else! Don't work for a big business.

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I'm unhappy at Bush ignoring the will of the people when it came to immigration.

Gonna drill down on this for the moment: Who benefits from illegal immigration, again?

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:37 PM

Again, polls are meaningless when they're asking the wrong questions and misleading the issue.

Drum up 1000 different polls, if you want, I'm not buying it. No amount of opinion polls can convince me that the Gov't has the right to a piece of my life so as to give to another person. That's what this is all about.

And you set up a false premise when you say...

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don't use any electricity, natural gas, water, gasoline, or diesel. Don't communicate. Don't use any software. Don't watch TV or listen to radio. Don't buy any food. Don't get medical care. Don't buy any cars, furniture, appliances ... or anything else, for that matter. Don't use currency. Don't bank. For God's sake, DON'T trade stocks, corporate bonds, or anything else! Don't work for a big business.

That is simply beyond absurdity and has no part in the discussion at hand. I have to take, from what I see YOU say, that all these things should be provided by 1 source, that being the Gov't., right ?

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:52 PM

Translation: polls are meaningless when they say something Rappy's desperately trying to live in denial about.

I wish I had options as to who to get internet from. At my last address I called every company I could find in the phone book, they told me flat out: we CANNOT provide you service because Comcast owns your neighborhood.

Free market? Whatever.

Sygnym - thanks for the info about the FF and their ideas about corporatism. I hadn't known any of that. Makes me sad, to see how the corporations have slowly inched their way in until they very nearly own our govt. You're completely right - the only way we can fix this mess is through govt, if we can just break it free. The corporations will never change themselves. Rappy's just whacked (but we already knew that, huh?)

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:06 PM

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Again, polls are meaningless when they're asking the wrong questions and misleading the issue.

Here's one Iowa question:

Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of buying into a government administered health plan insurance- something like Medicare coverage that people 65 or older get- that would compete with private plans?

Really, the question is about as clear as you can get!

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:05 PM

Other than the fact that Medicate is a unmitigated disaster ?

Adding that finer point into the question might make some choose differently.

But I'm clearly bought and paid for by Big Insurance, right ?

Sure, you can ASK if folks want free puppies, ponies and a life time supply of gummy bears, but at what price? Once it's explained to them .....oh, never mind. American Idol's on soon, and I need to go update my Twitter feed.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

NIKI2

Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:34 PM

Here again you are trying to have a reasonable discussion with Crappy?

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Drum up 1000 different polls, if you want, I'm not buying it.

Come ON...if that's not "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts", what is?

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Polls are meaningless when they say something Rappy's desperately trying to live in denial about.

Listen to the man; he's right.

Why you waste time trying to get through, Sig, I will never understand. Even tho' I've not been here long, I get that doing so is useless. He lives in another world, and will never dare peek at the real one; he'd probably implode.

What a waste of your valuable time! It's your time, of course, but there are so much more interesting things to talk to REAL PEOPLE about...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

KWICKO

Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:51 PM

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No amount of opinion polls can convince me that the Gov't has the right to a piece of my life so as to give to another person.

Please explain to me WHY my tax dollars are going to veterans' care, veterans' pensions, the GI Bill, and other similar programs that are the dark payoffs we give to professional warmongers, then. Why should the government have a right to a piece of MY life to pay for YOUR dirty little wars?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

BYTEMITE

Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:08 PM

We fuck them up, we do have some social obligation to clean them up and stand them up. Even if there's no possible way for them to recover from what they've seen and experienced and how they've been trained.

It would be better if we didn't have any wars, IMO, but since that isn't the case now, if the chessmasters can actually be convinced to throw the peons some medical care, I'm not going to argue that. I will argue the former though.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:13 PM

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Drum up 1000 different polls, if you want, I'm not buying it. No amount of opinion polls can convince me that the Gov't has the right to a piece of my life so as to give to another person. That's what this is all about.

Well, that's your opinion. But it's not a majority opinion, is it? So, have you conceded that the majority want a public option? Or are you going to regurgitate that same point again next week? (Not saying that the majority is right or wrong on wanting the public option, simply that it IS the majority, and not some misunderstanding/ poor question/ misrepresentation by the so-called "liberal MSM".)

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And you set up a false premise when you say... "don't use any electricity, natural gas, water, gasoline, or diesel. Don't communicate. Don't use any software. Don't watch TV or listen to radio. Don't buy any food. Don't get medical care. Don't buy any cars, furniture, appliances ... or anything else, for that matter. Don't use currency. Don't bank. For God's sake, DON'T trade stocks, corporate bonds, or anything else! Don't work for a big business."
That is simply beyond absurdity and has no part in the discussion at hand. I have to take, from what I see YOU say, that all these things should be provided by 1 source, that being the Gov't., right ?

No. I was just taking you at your word that you could choose to avoid dealing with "big business" if you wanted to, and I was simply pointing out that in order to make that choice you would have to economically isolate yourself from just about everything current. And therefore big business is just as inescapable... or possibly even more so... than big government. So, how ever did you get the idea that I was proposing that government "should" be the source for everything? There is small business. There are cooperatives. There are family farms and farmer's markets.

Your last two arguments would be a lot more on-target if you would respond to what I wrote, not to what YOU think!

And BTW- WHO benefits from illegal immigration, again?

KWICKO

Sunday, April 11, 2010 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
We fuck them up, we do have some social obligation to clean them up and stand them up. Even if there's no possible way for them to recover from what they've seen and experienced and how they've been trained.

It would be better if we didn't have any wars, IMO, but since that isn't the case now, if the chessmasters can actually be convinced to throw the peons some medical care, I'm not going to argue that. I will argue the former though.

Not at all the point I was making, Byte. Rappy insists that the government NEVER has the "right" to take part of your "life" (i.e., your MONEY) to give it to someone else. I point out that the government does this already, and with the full-throated support of the "Support our Troops!" folks. So we've blasted to pieces the lie that they disagree with the government taking OUR money to give to others. It seems they only disagree with the government using our money for things OTHER THAN waging war and causing suffering.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions