REAL world event discussions
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 00:43
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kpo did. He (or she?) suggested creating an entirely new, PN only board to keep him away from the RWED.
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The choice to stomach PN, or snub the site which doesn't effectively provide what many would come here for. It's the choice we all have, and I'll bet a lot of people, especially passing browsers, have opted for the latter.
That assumes people come here for RWED, and not Firefly. I suspect it's the opposite, and PN's presence on other parts of the board are minimal and easy to overlook.
Now, I can understand the complaints about the spam and the pushing threads off the main page. That is inconsiderate, and most of us go along with with a non-verbal, non-written agreement to give everyone their chance to be heard. That is a valid complaint, and in this way PN does impose on other people's freedom of speech.
But this thread was started initially to complain about the CONTENT of PN's thread, not the QUANTITY, so on principle I MUST disagree.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
John Lee: It would be nice if you limited your posts to real events, not paranoid delusions. Not that I expect you to- I'm sure the stuff in your head seems very real to you- but the first qualifier to this subforum starts with the word "real".
No response expected.
"Space aliens 'already exist on earth', Bulgarian govt has diplomatic relations"
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40971
You do comprehend that article is verbatim from the elitist Daily Telegraph newspaper, located in London England?
File your complaint with them:
www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/about-us/3519232/Editorial.html
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Aaaand with the death threats.
Sometimes I regret defending PN. ._.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
You don't have the freedom to snub his broadcasts? So I guess whenever Lou Dobbs came on to CNN, you were forced to watch it?
How often do you ignore his threads and posts, have you ever been to his site or listened to his broadcasts?
You have plenty of choice still. Nothing is being shoved in your face.
It very much is shoved in your face on his site. I visited his site a couple of times and although things might have changed (doubtful) there was a complete lack of any facility to post feedback or opinions of his site or its views. PN is just a mouthpiece spouting off what he happens to believe at the moment and when challenged his almost innevitable responce is a death threat of some kind (see above).
Unfortunately PN won his little war against us some time ago because although we all know that simply ignoring him would solve the problem we are just not able to resist the temptation to respond and every few weeks or months a whole thread becomes dedicated to discussions about and around PN.This then gives him exactly what he wants - attention, and afirms his belief in himself and the ridiculous things he says and thinks.
Personally, I've never understood why the moderators ofthis site have allowed him to post in the first place, particularly the disgusting anti-semitism and threats of violence,but hey,what do I know?
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Well, the reason is because we actually don't have any moderators, and despite the complaints against PN, people around here want a moderator even less. The risk is with a moderator is that someone will start playing favourites with the remaining people around here, which will result in banning and discrimination for whichever partisan group is opposite from the moderator's personal stances. My past experience has shown this is pretty much inevitable, and I think a lot of people here would even agree with me, that's the impression I get.
When I made the "not forced to read" argument, though, my point was that if you visit FFF.net, you don't have to visit PN's site. As such, except maybe for the quantity of PN's posts here, it's not "shoved in the face" here, because they can be ignored or even counter-points can be presented.
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That's how I feel and my question. I scroll past his responses and don't open his threads (as it's usually pretty easy to tell what they are, and when I make a mistake and open one, I just back out), and sometimes post in wonderment why the above.
If everyone stops talking to him the voices get quieter - why does no one else seem to understand this? He posts stupid sh*t and 20 people reply, "that's stupid sh*t!" That's mission accomplished for Inbred Views.
But at the same time, I DO find it a pain in the neck when so many of his pieces of insanity muck up the thread list and I have to search among them to find anything REAL to read. I find it offensive...the other site I was on had one exactly like him, tho' since it didn't have the capability of posting videos, only links, one didn't have to see the offensive images when scrolling past. I wouldn't be caught dead responding to him (except once or twice in all the time I've been here), those are precious minutes I'd never get back again and like pissing into the wind.
I DO consider what he does as shoving it in my face:Quote:
What those people shouldn't be allowed to do is hijack another media that exists without that stated aim, to broadcast their views more widely, forcing it in the faces of people who would otherwise have the freedom to snub those broadcasts altogether.Quote:
I couldn't have said it better. There are some people who just should not be allowed to spread their filth on websites (and many don't allow it); that's NOT prohibiting his free speech--"speech" on a website owned by someone isn't free, it's "permitted".
PN is just a mouthpiece spouting off what he happens to believe at the moment and when challenged his almost innevitable responce is a death threat of some kind. Unfortunately PN won his little war against us some time ago because although we all know that simply ignoring him would solve the problem we are just not able to resist the temptation to respond.
Just as Prejean bitched about her free speech, when it came down to it, her speech wasn't "free" on Miss America and she could have been curtailed if they'd wanted to. PN's free to speak his piece on his own website; nobody has the "right" to free speech on anything but public property. If he wants to stand on a street corner and hold up placards to spew his vile crap, I can walk by and ignore him. Here, I'm forced to scroll past him and hunt up stuff that IS real.
Personally I am disgusted and offended by his viciousness and would LOVE to see everyone ignore him as much as I do, because I believe without the attention he would go away. I firmly believe that is the one and only reason he is HERE. I don't expect it will happen, tho', so it is how it is: a shame.
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Okay, I want to split this one in two:
1. John has the freedom to post his opinions, and I can say that he easily posts more real world events than any other user, and while, sure, they're laced with opinion on a level that would make Glenn Beck drool, sorry Sig, can't say that you have a high portion of opinion free, real world event posts in your total score. Nothing personal, just saying, glass houses, throwing stones, that sort of thing.
So on point one, gotta side with John: He *does* post real world events and he *is* entitled to his own opinions.
As someone three times institutionalized myself, and long term guinea pig of the "mental health" establishment (see all advertising is a lie, if you have to say it in your name, it's a lie, ie, "department of defense," means "ministry of war.") But still, I had to become my own mental health expert in order to cure myself, but in such, I have to say something else, which is going to be double edged, so everyone duck:
John is not the craziest person here, not by a long shot. Okay, maybe he's not the sanest, but this means a couple of things:
First, let me say that I do not judge people by their level of sanity. People might be surprised by where I rank them, but I'm not going to share that information, just that John Lee is a relative sane individual.
However, and here comes the backhand, that means:
John, You are a relatively sane individual which means you are perfectly aware of what you are doing and that you *do* "at times" manipulate the format of the this "free society" to gain maximum exposure.
Sure, people who encourage this might be idiots, in just using your posts for a flame war... BUT
You post two high a number of threads. Can you please, as a favor to me, and the other members of the forum who actually do listen to what you have to say, keep the number of new threads down?
Yes, absolutely, if you have a new topic, and it's a real world event, or it's about the nature of conduct on the forum, post a new thread!
But a lot of times you post subjects that are already being discussed, either because you're not reading the threads, or because this will get you more traffic. It's minorly annoying. Try to limit it
Secondly, you often post 6 new threads at once. This is really annoying at times, because people are trying to follow threads that get burried. Combine them when logical, and post in as few new threads as possible.
Really, and I think this sincerely: It's not the *content* of threads that draws ire, it's the quantity. They at times reach a level that one might call "spam" and I undoubtedly have.
That said, I want to hear what you have to say. I also want to hear what other people have to say, and say some things myself
Finally, I think that like your stance against jews, your format of posting is injurious to your argument. If you want to oppose certain parts of Talmudic scripture, fine, it's easily attackable. So is the bible, which at some point contains a line that reads something like this "and so they went forth and killed all the men, their wives, and their children, and even down to their animals, and God saw this, and he said that it was good" okay, it's not an exact quote, but it's in either kings or Chronicles. If someone can't attack that, then there is no free speech.
But calling for the exterminiation of jewish people or culture is not free speech, since free speech has never covered incitement to criminal activity. I'm not calling you out on this because I think you intend to incite activity against jews, or should be barred from doing so, but in a purely self serving manner you should recognize that it does discredit your argument.
Furthermore, posting in a manner which constitutes the original definition of spam also discredits your argument.
So, yes, Sig has a half of a point, you should let others speak, you swing your arms to a point where the noses of others are just slightly swiped.
That said...
Sig, John has the other half of a point. It's free speech, and he has s
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But this thread was started initially to complain about the CONTENT of PN's thread, not the QUANTITY
True, it's the content that really upsets people - but my complaint against PN is not that his posts are foul, but that I am forced to wade through them. The foulness just makes it worse.
So I am not complaining about 'content' or 'quantity' (there are other prodigous posters here in RWED that I have nothing against) of his threads, but the NATURE of them - which is propoganda/proselytising spam. I am genuinely quite happy for people to try to convert me to their views through reason and debate (even repugnant views) - but not through propoganda bombardment from an un-engagable spewing mouthpiece.
It is only PN that does it, and he does it to the extent of nuisance.
I think we can and should draw the line here, on the grounds that an internet (discussion) forum is not meant as a platform for a spam-spewing mouthpiece. Why have a Troll country but not a Spam country? Nobody complains about the free-speech infringements on the trolls - are spammers less annoying?
Heads should roll
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And the problem I see with this is the inevitable outcome. In order to make up for every post that gets moved to a hypothetical spam country, PN will have to post MORE.
Until either 1) he decides to leave (which he won't, and if you want to keep the moral high-ground here, instituting a change which will force someone to leave is... not that), or 2) the rest of US leave.
He has the energy and ability to keep up, I have no doubts about it. So I'd ask yourself which you think is worse, a PN who posts away with some inconvenience, or a PN who thinks his free speech is impinged and decides to go on the attack.
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