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The steps you outline seem to suggest that you want to wage some kind of war on PN

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The steps are just a series of measures of blocking spam, they're nothing vindictive. And I think it's a sound approach to take towards any nuisance spammer (at the moment PN is the only one).

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the point IS chasing PN away

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I'm quite happy for PN to stay, minus the spamming bombardment. It's up to PN whether he is. A compromise would be for PN to reduce his spamming to below nuisance levels, but I reckon it's his strategy (and maybe he thinks his 'right') to get in people's faces alot.

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there was someone that I waged a war on myself

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I can't imagine you waging war on anyone Byte.

Heads should roll

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Well... all right, then, just so long as the intention isn't to single out any one user, because any of us could then become a target based on popularity.

I still would be very uneasy about your proposal because of what it might cause and mean, but I suppose it's up to Haken.

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I can't imagine you waging war on anyone Byte.

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I think you've probably met KINGIECHOLS. He caught a lot of flak over his boastful, insulting posting style, but what pushed me over the edge was when he started complaining non-stop over his threads being moved to Troll County because of said boasting and insulting. So the two of us started a spam war against each other.

He stopped, but I've always felt ashamed over how I acted. I've since been mostly trying to leave King alone, but if he posts something good, I try to be nice to him.

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BYTE

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Now, I can understand the complaints about the spam and the pushing threads off the main page. That is inconsiderate, and most of us go along with with a non-verbal, non-written agreement to give everyone their chance to be heard. That is a valid complaint, and in this way PN does impose on other people's freedom of speech.

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Of course, PN is not alone in that, since I have felt the same way about certain other intolerant folk around here spewing hate at other cultures and beliefs, something I find every bit as offensive, at least PN is bonkers, what's their excuse ?

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Sometimes I regret defending PN.

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You ain't alone in that either, but it's the price of free speech, PN, Fred Phelps, and the mighty-whitey-righties, alas.

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Well, the reason is because we actually don't have any moderators, and despite the complaints against PN, people around here want a moderator even less. The risk is with a moderator is that someone will start playing favourites with the remaining people around here, which will result in banning and discrimination for whichever partisan group is opposite from the moderator's personal stances. My past experience has shown this is pretty much inevitable, and I think a lot of people here would even agree with me, that's the impression I get.

When I made the "not forced to read" argument, though, my point was that if you visit FFF.net, you don't have to visit PN's site. As such, except maybe for the quantity of PN's posts here, it's not "shoved in the face" here, because they can be ignored or even counter-points can be presented.

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Which, if worth discussing at all, some of the topics he raises can be discussed WHILE ignoring him, as has happened - or we could post kitties or recipies in the thread if it's otherwise "useless", which has also been done.


Dream

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John, carpet bombing *does* ultimately, discredit the attacker. You're a fighter pilot, you know this. This ain't a war that can be won through superior firepower, it's only through respect that you can get anyone to listen.

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You presume that's what he wants - he ain't goin for respect, he's going for enragement, which depends muchly on your target audience.
The same way the mighty-whitey-righty types try to enrage and wind up the ignorant and weak willed against the enemy of the week, you know ?

On the other hand, I have suspected at least one of them, and most certainly PN, of false-flagging such a "message" in order to completely discredit it - think about it, you howl rage and hate against a culture or belief in someones face with a bullhorn, you're more likely to convince them that you and your message are completely despicable and encourage them to either dismiss it, or lash out against it.

Which is, perhaps, his goal - I might call him bonkers, but I ain't never called him stupid.

Although the actions of the mighty-whitey-righty crowd indirectly blind folk to some very real dangers presented by religious fanatics of any stripe, when they poison the whole argument with intolerant hate.


KPO

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It is only PN that does it, and he does it to the extent of nuisance.

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If only that were true, KPO - I've come here a few times in the past month to see the top threads all containing intolerant hate, although that is comparatively rare, now.

But it didn't used to be, and I do remember that less than fondly, too, cause it drove off many of the original posters.


All in all, if PN is the price of free speech, that's damn cheap for it's value, leastways in my opinion.

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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I honestly don't really care if he posts or not, it's easy to do an eye roll and ignore them as others suggest. He was entertaining back when I first saw them, good for WTF?! sensationalism, but it got stale pretty quick and now he seems kind of out of ideas and reposts a lot of stuff.

I think Signym's request is a good one.

Dream, please! PN does not really *discuss* real world events! Here's a sample of his last threads:

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Pentagon wants Hunter Killer robots in ICBMs to start WW3

Nazi gay porn star Swarzenegger causes riots, raises college tuition 32%

Hackers leak email from 'Global Warming' scammers, Obama perps treason at Hopehagen

Space aliens 'already exist on earth', Bulgarian govt has diplomatic relations

Merck brags Vioxx killed more people than Americans killed in the Vietnam War

Crazy Muslim ampatuans carry out huge Bloodbath in Philippines? worldmedia afraid to mention phrase 'muslim extremists'

Britain Sux: Cops arrest blokes 'just for the DNA'

Britain Sux: Soldiers in Iraq only given 5 bullets, no body armor

Scotland Yard says Obama is not the president

Bill O'Reilly's Crotch: 'I don't care about the Constitution'

Fascist pig cops taser 10-yr-old- girl for refusing shower in her own home

Worried pimp called off Rabbi's three-day coke orgy

Obama orders US troops to protect opium fields, wants new tax to pay Taliban in gold to attack US troops

Attack from outer space 'lit up the whole freakin neighborhood'

Mack Daddy sends CIA and NYPD to arrest Paster Manning re Obama's lack of birth certificate

Ron Paul aide forces TSA Nazis to back off at airports

Britain Sux: Soldier gets 5 years prison for finding gun in his yard

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Those look familiar? The person who called them spam was absolutely right. It is definitely NOT a Free Speech issue. Should spammers be able to send you spam?

In the end it's Haken's board and he's nice enough to let us play here.

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Hello,

The issue here isn't free speech. It's technology.

A good forum software would allow you to flag people who don't interest you, and it would conceal all of their threads and posts from your view, thus ending the distraction.

It would also prevent subject line changes.

If we really really cared about PN, we could take up a collection for Haken so that he could upgrade to programmable-filter forum technology.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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I think Anthony has hit the nail on the head. If there were a reliable way of flagging PN (or others) posts it would enable us to simply steer round him and make ignoring him so much easier.
I think this has been a very good thread with some very engaging comments from all sides. It's certainly caused me to go away and think about how I view the whole issue. I will try one more time to ignore PN's threads, although I cant guarantee the level of success.

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The issue is content vs quantity. 90 % of his stuff is gose , some of it is hateful, some of it is incitement to criminal behavior

But he's got a free- speech right.

And I can just plain skip his threads-- I usually do. So Haken shouldn't ban him, nor restrict his right to post or start new threads.

Problem comes when he starts 4 threads the same day, and pushes other topics or viewpoints off the RWED list and onto " Top 100"-- that's rude.

Dunno, maybe Haken could implement a policy of only 1 thread a day in RWED? Probably a software or patch somewhere that could do that, for all users, not just PN. And I dunno if even that is a restriction I'd want to see on a political speech board-- some political junkie ( like me, fer instance...) might find 2 different topics in the news the same day that deserved posting and discussion.

A while back , somebody proposed adding "Not PN" to thread titles that were wacky-sounding. Maybe we all need to do that. And if we could get PN to head his with " PN sez--" or something, it'd be pretty close to a better world...

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