Obama is doing a job.
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Thursday, July 2, 2009 13:59
VIEWED: 13329
PAGE 8 of 14
Quote:They can't stop, Byte, it's like crack-cocaine for them or something.
Originally posted by Bytemite:
If you military types are such experts in war and on history, then stop supporting the mistruths and the fascists that undermine our diplomatic and military efforts and poison the supposedly clueless population.
The laughing Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
The main way to lessen our dependence on foreign oil is to DRILL, DRILL, DRILL. From what I understand we are the only country that prohibits itself from acquiring our own resources! Silly, silly Americans.
Oil is a finite resource. It arguably makes strategic sense to use everyone else's before starting on your own. Historically it might not be the best idea, because one of the reasons the British Empire started to go into decline prior to the First World War (the First and Second World Wars hastened a decline that had just barely begun) was Britain's dependence on Coal, and it's inertia on the global switch to Oil. Time will tell, some people still believe in the Abiogenic Oil theory, what can I say? Some people juggle Geese.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
RIPWash: Unfortunately, the nation's fossil fuel drilling needs means that you all have to tear up my state.
As does the Uranium needs for the nation's energy plan and all those nuclear power plants. Right in the towering monuments of the Moenkopi formation. 
I believe you can see one of the Uranium mine openings from the 1960s in the green-purple shale, above the cliffs about a three quarters of the way to the right of the image.
I love southern Utah, and I'm highly frustrated that we're getting little say in what lands the BLM is pushing through to sell to the energy corporations. And it's all because of national pressure, and because my state doesn't have the population to have a large enough voice to protect itself.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Your personal experiences on that matter prove, well nothing. Saying the US and other western nations never sold Saddam weapons is a fairy tale. Weapons sales stopped in the late eighties, which was over twenty years ago. Even if all you saw was Russian equipment, that doesn't prove equipment wasn't bought from the US earlier.
Doesn't prove aliens didn't sell them weapons either. Or the Dalai Lama.
But do tell me about your personal experiences in the matter.
You find me a picture of an Iraqi soldier before 2003 with an M16, or driving an M113, or an M60 MBT, or using an M66, or any other commonly available US piece of surplus. You won't, because they don't exist, because we didn't.
I know what I saw and what I disposed of. I know what I saw on the same "news" you did. I know how our weapons are contracted and manufactured, and during the 80s, there would have been no reason to hide the fact--we openly gave the sat images to Iraq. You won't find any reports on us selling them weapons, because we didn't.
And DoD OPPOSED selling dual use equipment to Iraq, but was overridden by the Pollyannas at State who figured he was a nice guy.
Nope, the Left bears pretty much total responsibility for this mess.
BTW, what's Bill Clinton's withdrawal strategy for Kosovo? I've got friends over there who'd like to know.
Oh, and located WMD and support so far is several tons of nerve agent, several tons of binary munitions, a ricin production factory, and 550 tons of yellowcake. You can try to claim it doesn't exist. The problem is, it was sold to Canada, who's using it in their Ontario reactors. That sort of makes it rather concrete.
Yes, it was left over from Osirak. It still only takes 1940 technology to produce about 100 nukes from it.
And 1948 was when ARAMCO got started, IIRC.
And we use very little Iraqi oil, because it's a bitch to get hold of. They have that one tiny port on the Shatt al Arab. Last I checked, it was about 2% of our supply, most of which is domestic, Canadian or Mexican. Fungible resources come from the closest source.
Recent novels by Michael Z. Williamson
CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books
http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I love southern Utah, and I'm highly frustrated that we're getting little say in what lands the BLM is pushing through to sell to the energy corporations. And it's all because of national pressure, and because my state doesn't have the population to have a large enough voice to protect itself.
Well, true. It is pretty. On the other hand, uranium is much more efficient and cleaner than coal. And since you're using a computer, you're ultimately part of the demand for that electricity. I'm not happy about the former woods behind my house being a cornfield, but I eat corn, so I accept it.
Do you really think that a nationalized corporation would mean LESS electrical power?
Recent novels by Michael Z. Williamson
CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books
http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Well, actually, I'm at work right now, and my work has it's own solar power energy grid.
At home, what you say is true. However, I do my best to try to buy green power from the grid, since that's the best I can do until I get over $20,000 and can invest in a solar panel roofing for my house. Because Utah gets a little more sun than much of the nation, solar power is actually pretty feasible, and I think the investment will pay off in about a decade. After that, I'll probably save up to try to build one of those passive energy homes in this small town I like that's away from the smog problem we have in the city.
I don't drive, don't eat meat, and don't plan on having children. I do breathe, but my hopes are that my carbon footprint is minimal.
What *I* think is that everyone should be responsible for their own energy. I think these energy companies are screwing us.
Thank you for not being too offended by my last post. I got a little bit hot, and I'm sorry for that.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:What "Left" are you-a-talikin' about, son? Clinton? Ha! In America, "Left" means anyone who wants it's citizens to have access to healthcare!!!
Originally posted by MikeWilliamson:
Nope, the Left bears pretty much total responsibility for this mess.
There IS no real American left- at least none that have ever been in power. There's the Right, and the Right that can lean towards the center.
Quote:He didn't have one because he was busy with a certain intern, and a certain cover-up.
BTW, what's Bill Clinton's withdrawal strategy for Kosovo? I've got friends over there who'd like to know.
Quote:Is that like a weapon? Cause I sure couldn't make it go boom, much less throw it far enough my own self.
550 tons of yellowcake.
Quote:And time. First ya gotta make room to work on it by sweeping out all the degenerated mustard junk, then ya gotta develop an intercontinental delivery system, an do it without drawing attention by, you know, testing it & stuff... then load the, you know, untested bombs & stuff...
It still only takes 1940 technology to produce about 100 nukes from it.
Puh-leeze.
The laughing Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, actually, I'm at work right now, and my work has it's own solar power energy grid.
At home, what you say is true. However, I do my best to try to buy green power from the grid, since that's the best I can do until I get over $20,000 and can invest in a solar panel roofing for my house. Because Utah gets a little more sun than much of the nation, solar power is actually pretty feasible, and I think the investment will pay off in about a decade.
I don't drive, don't eat meat, and don't plan on having children. I do breathe, but my hopes are that my carbon footprint is minimal.
Thank you for not being too offended by my last post. I got a little bit hot, and I'm sorry for that.
No problem. Politics gets people hot, and I can be obnoxious.
I appreciate and respect your lifestyle support of your political beliefs. I don't subscribe to the causal hypothesis of CO2, but I don't think it hurts anything for you to do so. I won't ask you to stop exhaling
Recent novels by Michael Z. Williamson
CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books
http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:*raises hand*
Originally posted by MikeWilliamson:
I appreciate and respect your lifestyle support of your political beliefs.
My car gets 35 city, 40 highway!
The laughing Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:What "Left" are you-a-talikin' about, son? Clinton? Ha! In America, "Left" means anyone who wants it's citizens to have access to healthcare!!!
Originally posted by MikeWilliamson:
Nope, the Left bears pretty much total responsibility for this mess.
There IS no real American left- at least none that have ever been in power. There's the Right, and the Right that can lean towards the center.
Well, being a born Brit, then Canadian, and now American, I'm going to say it depends on your definition of left and right.
However, given that, it might surprise you that I'm willing to kill people to avoid the threat of national health care. Keep that in mind.
A quote everyone might find useful, while hating or fawning over Mr 0
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
Quote:Quote:Is that like a weapon? Cause I sure couldn't make it go boom, much less throw it far enough my own self.
550 tons of yellowcake.Quote:And time. First ya gotta make room to work on it by sweeping out all the degenerated mustard junk, then ya gotta develop an intercontinental delivery system, an do it without drawing attention by, you know, testing it & stuff... then load the, you know, untested bombs & stuff...
It still only takes 1940 technology to produce about 100 nukes from it.
Puh-leeze.
Oh, those you mean those missiles he had? That the left whined "only" violated his agreed limits by a few percent?
1940s technology. His missiles were already 1960s tech. And you don't need missiles to deliver nukes. Do you remember something called the "Enola Gay"? A common airliner can carry a nuke, and very easily if you don't care if you get it back.
And South Africa never tested its bombs, nor did we test Little Boy, because they're so stupid simple a monkey can build them. You can build one without any explosives, in fact--gravity compression will suffice.
Sorry, dude, but I'm at least semi-professional in this field. Trying to talk down to me won't work, especially when it's pretty clear you don't know diddly about the field yourself.
See, this is where I refer you back to some basic study of "Strategy." In summary: You don't wait for the stampede before you go shopping for an elephant gun.
What happens if your neighbor starts building a bomb in his basement? Do the cops say, "Oh, well call us if he ever actually blows something up"?
And apparently, a decreasing minority thinks 0's doing a great job:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administ
ration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
I'll wait for those photos of Iraqi troops with US weapons, though. Taken before we started training them in 2004. Though they still use AKs because they have them, and because that's about the level of their technical ability. A 1947 design updated in 1962 or so.
Which is plenty good enough to build nukes.
Hell, PAKISTAN has a pretty effective nuclear program.
Recent novels by Michael Z. Williamson
CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books
http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME