Change you were dumb enough to believe in
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 21:45
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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Hmm. Well I just watched the vid and rather than jump into the scrum with everyone about minutia (Cheney this, Obama that) I'll just offer a general observation about MSNBC.
This clip is a perfect example of how their network is an insult to journalism. The very way Madow opens her piece speaks volumes.
We begin tonight with a tale of 2 speeches, both from the same man, both from Obama. One speech that could have been billed as a ballad to the constitution, a proclimation of american values, a repuduation of the lawless behavior of the last presidential administration. And another speech: announcing a radical new claim of presidential power that is not afforded by the constitution and that has never been attempted in american history, even by George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
My god. This isn't just slant, this is a 90 degree sheerwall. Is this the kind of stuff MSNBC puts out daily? I never watch so I cannot know. She (or the network I should say, she's a mouthpiece) completely frames the discussion into biased confines with the very opening. I can see how less intelligent viewers would be swayed, it's just propaganda. Blind propaganda taken straight from the playbook of Goebbels.
Propaganda: The dissemination of information aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of people which stands opposite to the concept of impartially. Propaganda in its most basic sense proffers information primarily in order to influence an audience with selective facts to encourage a particular synthesis, or frames a subject pre-emptively, in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.
Beyond the framing of the subject, she and our president Just--Keep--Reminding--Us about "Bush" and "Cheney". I wonder if this will work in 2012 when it will actually matter for them.
Yeah, the paragraph cited is pretty biased, alright...and I say that as one who basically agrees with the paragraph.
As for bad memories, no one lately has kept me more mindful of Bush and Cheney than Cheney himself. I suppose being out of office carries with it no obligation to shut up, but still...
W W R D ?
What would Rorschach do?
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Quote:He's just attempting to avoid/deflect a jail sentence is all.
Originally posted by WASHnwear:
no one lately has kept me more mindful of Bush and Cheney than Cheney himself. I suppose being out of office carries with it no obligation to shut up, but still...
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Cites and quote please. Back up your opinion with fact. Being a lawyer, it should be EASY for you to find the aforesaid "regulations". And if you can't find them....
Its kinda become common knowledge in the last 8 months or so.
Congress passed a bi-partisan law signed by Bill Clinton in 1999.
The goal was to increase home ownership, especially by minorities. http://www.connpost.com/ci_12431504?source=rss
"Lending standards were lowered and rules were implemented to provide loans for consumers who previously had been unable to secure them.
Mortgages, many of them subprime or risky, were being packaged and sold for what later proved to be more than they were worth. In some cases there was fraud and brokers taking advantage of borrowers “who could not have understood” what they were doing, Tyler said." http://www.enterprise-journal.com/articles/2009/05/14/news/02.txt
Basically Clinton, with Congrssional support, rewrote the lending rules to create what he called "loan affirmative action". http://liberal-education.com/content/Anatomy%20of%20a%20crisis.htm
In other words, they told the banks who to lend to and under what conditions. No money down, relaxed credit and income requirments, etc. They took long term profit OUT of the industry forcing the bankers to think short term for any return. The system that resulted was bound to collapse at some point.
Edited to add: I don't really think Clinton is "at fault". He achieved his objective, meaning increased home ownership. This is more of an "unintended consequence". Though some folks where concerned, I doubt anyone, outside the boardrooms, forsaw the magnitude of the problem. There was confidence that people would buy houses they could afford and then pay the money back.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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And as to the government, buying a boat and heading for open waters is getting more tempting by the day.
I'm going to call that my "Plan F."
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Hero, just to give you an idea of how bogus and twisted your articles are, let me exerpt this from the last site:
Quote:FANNIE AND FREDDIE DID NOT WRITE LOANS.
The CRA bill was later revitalized by Bill Clinton, who forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make bogus loans. This is explained, in part, by Terry Jones, writing for Yahoo!
I'll repeat that in case you missed it the first time.
FANNIE AND FREDDIE DID NOT WRITE LOANS.
Just in case you missed it, I'll repeat it again.
FANNIE AND FREDDIE DID NOT WRITE LOANS.
also
CLINTON'S SO-CALLED LOAN REQUIREMENTS DID NOT APPLY TO LENDERS.
Should I repeat that? Yeah, just in case.
CLINTON'S SO-CALLED LOAN REQUIREMENTS DID NOT APPLY TO LENDERS.
What does this all boil down to?
THERE WERE NO REGULATIONS TWISTING ANY LENDER'S ARM TO LEND TO THOSE THEY DEEMED UNWORTHY.
And just in case you missed it:
THERE WERE NO REGULATIONS TWISTING ANY LENDER'S ARM TO LEND TO THOSE THEY DEEMED UNWORTHY.
There are a lot of reasons to be fed up with Obama and to criticize Clinton. But you don't have to make shit up in order to do it. Do you have a clue as to what you're talking about? Apparently not....
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Quote:So... he, like, snuck into their offices to do it?
After entering office in 1993, Clinton extensively rewrote Fannie's and Freddie's rules.
Or is re-writing rules of Fannie & Freddie an official part of a President's job?
And, did he use blue or black pen?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:I had thought you were departing our company. Today you are present among us and typing in caps.
Originally posted by SignyM:
FANNIE AND FREDDIE DID NOT WRITE LOANS.
I'm confused.
AND JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT
I'm confused.
AND JUST IN CASE SOMEONE ELSE MISSED IT
I'm confused.
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I said I would be checking in from time to time and posting a lot less. I leave for a week and check in today, and here Hero is, making shit up, which is pretty typical of the right-wing morons here. Maybe you should learn to read.
'Bye for now.
See ya later.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
kpo - if Cheney is a liar, then so are Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, George Tenet, and countless others.
So, why are you focusing in on Cheney again?
Heh.... Yep.
Now you're learning Rap!"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
I couldn't help but notice that my question to Kwickie went unanswered. I think that says it all.
Also....
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Oh, I get it - Rachel Maddow is a "dude" because she's gay. Huh. Didn't realize your homophobia was so deeply entrenched.
How is that "homophobia"? Maddow does look rather 'dudish', am I wrong? I mean, the similarities between Maddow and Olbermann is striking. Also, Maddow and I happen to both dig chicks, so we got that in common. Quite the contrary, there's no fear, what so ever.
There just isn't.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Quote:OK.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Maybe you should learn to read.
I'll attend to that after I first finish learning how to use a spoon and counting past the fingers I have on my hand.
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