Change you were dumb enough to believe in
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Frankly, I'm more worried about a politician who is wrong than one who lies. Anyone holding high office will know things they can't divulge, and will likely be put in positions where they have to lie.
Cheney was wrong, arrogantly and obstinately wrong. That's much worse in my book.
SergeantX
"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
BK, yer lookin at it from the wrong end.
Turn it around and ponder this - what if the people who were supposed to find out that info, the ubiquitous alphabet boys, lied to all of the above, deliberately and with malice aforethought - Just like they BEEN doin for forty fekkin years!
Our representatives cannot "represent" us (not that they often do, mind) if the folks supposed to provide them with information either refuse to, or shovel a boatload of shit.
How many black projects over the years, for example, were committed without the knowledge, much less approval, of our reps ?
Or worse, (See Also: Carnivore) in direct defiance of multiple congressional edicts and laws supposed to forbid them ?
How can we the people, or our so called representatives, make any kind of logical decision when given no information or false information ?
While the politicians should catch their fair share of blame, what about the people who's job is to provide timely, accurate intelligence info, who instead provided a "sexed up" or "cooked" dossier to appease certain political interests, and yet they get a pass for that shit, once again not doing the job, or doing nasty backstabbing shit to the very people they're supposed to be at service to.
Me, I am damned sick of that, sick of the lies, treachery and social chaos caused by our so-called protectors fucking us over every chance they get, encouraging terrorism, moving drugs and every other damn nasty thing they've done and never been called on - they KNEW most of the info they were providing was bullshit, that's been their game ever since the cold war, and you should see some of the whoppers they passed off (See Also: Ivy Bells) back then in attempts to TRY to provoke a shooting war with the Soviets.
I'm not inclined to give our politicians a pass for being lying, ass covering dickheads, and gullible as hell besides for believing folk who've been lying through their teeth quite blatantly for forty years straight - but damned if I have ANY inclination to hand out passes to THEM fuckers neither, not when most of their lies lead to american blood on foreign soil, for "gains" that blow back on us and eventually cost even more.
(See Also: Operation Ajax)
So while we're wringin the necks of politicians about it, the alphabet boys should be right up there beside em, far as I am concerned.
-Frem
"The greatest threat to our national security...
is our National Security."
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That's true, Frem. I was just addressing the point about the politicos. There's always deceit in intel work. But don't forget, it's the politicos who make it a public spectacle, and use whatever they're told as a tool to advance their career.
I'd say there's plenty of blame to go around. It's a shame, really. We actually have a good system of government, (in that no system is perfect, but the framework for ours is about as close as anyone has come ). The problem, as I see it, is that the system has been so misused and abuse, it no longer resembles what the framers had in mind.
We need to tear it down to the frame, and start over again, just like people do to old houses that have been neglected for too long to refinish, but the foundation is still good.
Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Frankly, I'm more worried about a politician who is wrong than one who lies. Anyone holding high office will know things they can't divulge, and will likely be put in positions where they have to lie.
Cheney was wrong, arrogantly and obstinately wrong. That's much worse in my book.
SergeantX
"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"
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I don't follow your reasoning.
Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When have I ever "looked to Mandy Moore" for wisdom ?
What a strange thing for you to say.
That's SOOOO funny.
Mike
That's not WISDOM, you clod , that's from SCRUBS. Where instead of laughing at something , her character would actually SAY " that's so funny ".
Check out the show. You need to laugh more.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kpo - if Cheney is a liar, then so are Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, George Tenet, and countless others.
So, why are you focusing in on Cheney again?
The T.Rex they call JANE!
Heh.... Yep.
Now you're learning Rap!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Bush Lite.
Bush Dark?
Actually there are dramatic differences in policy. For example, Bush used Gitmo to house detainees in the ongoing effort to win the war and keep America safe. Obama will use Gitmo to house detainees in the ongoing effort to not lose the war and to keep his poll numbers safe.
Bush believed in no regulation, low taxes, and high spending. Obama believes in strict govt control of banks and industry, high taxes, and spending so high that it makes Bush's spending look low.
Bush Lite...no, Bush Dark...with a big smile and we can all feel good about him...because he's black and can talk.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Quote:Wow, what a fine example of blunt & inaccurate oversimplification.
Originally posted by Hero:
Obama believes in strict govt control of banks and industry, high taxes, and spending so high that it makes Bush's spending look low.
I'm impressed!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Bush believed in no regulation, low taxes, and high spending.
When you say "no regulation", I assume you're talking about no regulation for corporations, because Bush believed in regulating the everloving FUCK out of American citizens!
Also, his "low taxes" stance really only applied to the top 2%.
But you're right about his high spending habits.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Wow, what a fine example of blunt & inaccurate oversimplification.
Originally posted by Hero:
Obama believes in strict govt control of banks and industry, high taxes, and spending so high that it makes Bush's spending look low.
I'm impressed!
I thought I pretty much summed up his economic policy.
Do you have a different opinion?
High taxes: He's raising taxes on everybody. Lets face it, they're talking about taxing soda and a middle class tax hike, the energy tax, a health care tax, etc.
Strict control of banks and industry: They are rewriting contracts, threatening executives, strongarming deals, bypassing bankruptsy laws, forcing banks to take money (with conditions), firing CEOs, etc.
Spending higher then Bush: Obama's first 100 days included more spending then Bush's six previous years combined.
It isn't oversimplified...its what happened and whats happening.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
When you say "no regulation", I assume you're talking about no regulation for corporations, because Bush believed in regulating the everloving FUCK out of American citizens!
Really? How so? Aside from security issues, regulation under Bush was pretty much the same as under Clinton.
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Also, his "low taxes" stance really only applied to the top 2%.
It applied to me...and I am not in the top 2%. My parents got a tax cut and some nice tax credits for my little sister...and they are not in the top 2%. Not to mention a lot of folks got jobs from folks in that top 2%, so they benefited too.
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But you're right about his high spending habits.
High spending? That's 20th Century thinking. Bush's spending was low by 21st Century numbers.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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