Change you were dumb enough to believe in
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie
Cite 1 lie that Cheney's said.
Just one.
Since you were obviously unable to keep up with the last thread where you asked this question, here it is yet again:
August 26, 2002: Cheney spoke to a the 103rd national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, where he stated unequivocally, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
Simply stated, there is now no doubt that Saddam indeed DID NOT have weapons of mass destruction as Cheney claimed.
Mike.
Was Cheney WRONG ? Maybe.
Was he LYING ? Did he absolutely KNOW there were no WMD, even though Intel had been saying Saddam had WMD for damn near a decade?
No, nothing you've posted suggests Cheney knew there were no WMD, but still made the claim anyways.
YOU have no case.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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No, he was lying because he stated categorically that Saddam definitely DID possess WMD at the time. That was a lie. He was wrong, and he is a liar. As are you.
As always, you have no case.
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
No, he was lying because he stated categorically that Saddam definitely DID possess WMD at the time. That was a lie. He was wrong, and he is a liar. As are you.
As always, you have no case.
Mike
Being wrong isn't the same as lying. Seriously, how old are you? Five ? You sound like you're a five year old.
It's you who has no case. You've not shown where Cheney lied. Game over.
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"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
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To say that the evidence for WMD is very strong, is not a lie. To say that one is convinced based on this evidence is not a lie. But asserting that a factually incorrect statement is true WITHOUT DOUBT - MUST be a lie.
For Cheney not to be a liar based on this he must either be criminally foolish - having seen the evidence and drawing wrong conclusions with UTTER conviction; or, he must be slightly less foolish, and have been sold the lie by someone else.
Or else he is a liar, and had an agenda to lie. Perhaps he thought it was for the best(?).
But these are the only 3 options I believe.
Heads should roll
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Seriously, how old are you? Five ? You sound like you're a five year old.
Pretty funny, coming from the one person here who regularly looks to Mandy Moore for wisdom, and whose normal reply follows the "Yo mama" school of sophistication.
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kpo - if Cheney is a liar, then so are Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, George Tenet, and countless others.
So, why are you focusing in on Cheney again?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Seriously, how old are you? Five ? You sound like you're a five year old.
Pretty funny, coming from the one person here who regularly looks to Mandy Moore for wisdom, and whose normal reply follows the "Yo mama" school of sophistication.
When have I ever "looked to Mandy Moore" for wisdom ?
What a strange thing for you to say.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When have I ever "looked to Mandy Moore" for wisdom ?
What a strange thing for you to say.
That's SOOOO funny.
Mike
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kpo - if Cheney is a liar, then so are Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, George Tenet, and countless others.
So, why are you focusing in on Cheney again?
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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I have to agree with this. Several top Demoncrats very loudly and clearly expounded that Saddam had WMD. If Cheney was lying, then it follows they were as well.
I don't really think any of them were lying. They all based their case on intelligence not only gathered by US agencies, but others as well.
And, when the dust settled, Saddam DID possess WMD compontents, including weaponized bio and chemical supplies. To my knowledge, however, they were not, at least at the time they were found, assembled.
I really don't know if they are, legally, considered WMD if they aren't assembled and ready to deploy. Nor do I know who would make that determination. The one with the bigger stick, I guess, as Frem might say.
Anyway, it is true that the top Dem's were just as loud and just as determined in their belief that Saddam had WMD. Several others, who I believe were taking a less political and more sensible approach, said only that he had the means to produce them.
The kicker here would be to know if everyone, Repub and Dem alike, knew that he had the components, or the where withal to manufacture them, when their statements were made, or if they in fact believed that he already had assembled, ready to deploy weaponry.
As always, we'll never really know the truth, one way or another.
Bad_karma
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BK, yer lookin at it from the wrong end.
Turn it around and ponder this - what if the people who were supposed to find out that info, the ubiquitous alphabet boys, lied to all of the above, deliberately and with malice aforethought - Just like they BEEN doin for forty fekkin years!
Our representatives cannot "represent" us (not that they often do, mind) if the folks supposed to provide them with information either refuse to, or shovel a boatload of shit.
How many black projects over the years, for example, were committed without the knowledge, much less approval, of our reps ?
Or worse, (See Also: Carnivore) in direct defiance of multiple congressional edicts and laws supposed to forbid them ?
How can we the people, or our so called representatives, make any kind of logical decision when given no information or false information ?
While the politicians should catch their fair share of blame, what about the people who's job is to provide timely, accurate intelligence info, who instead provided a "sexed up" or "cooked" dossier to appease certain political interests, and yet they get a pass for that shit, once again not doing the job, or doing nasty backstabbing shit to the very people they're supposed to be at service to.
Me, I am damned sick of that, sick of the lies, treachery and social chaos caused by our so-called protectors fucking us over every chance they get, encouraging terrorism, moving drugs and every other damn nasty thing they've done and never been called on - they KNEW most of the info they were providing was bullshit, that's been their game ever since the cold war, and you should see some of the whoppers they passed off (See Also: Ivy Bells) back then in attempts to TRY to provoke a shooting war with the Soviets.
I'm not inclined to give our politicians a pass for being lying, ass covering dickheads, and gullible as hell besides for believing folk who've been lying through their teeth quite blatantly for forty years straight - but damned if I have ANY inclination to hand out passes to THEM fuckers neither, not when most of their lies lead to american blood on foreign soil, for "gains" that blow back on us and eventually cost even more.
(See Also: Operation Ajax)
So while we're wringin the necks of politicians about it, the alphabet boys should be right up there beside em, far as I am concerned.
-Frem
"The greatest threat to our national security...
is our National Security."
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