Change you were dumb enough to believe in

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:57 PM

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/22/preventive_detention
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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9983

...even if I'm comfortable with Obama having this new power because I trust him not to abuse it, am I comfortable with future Presidents -- including Republicans -- having the power of indefinite "preventive detention"?

Thanks Obama... hopefully the sheeple remember how much they hated Bush and Obamba's campaign lies are all brought to light we can finally get a third party in. I just hope there is an America left to fix in 4 years....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

KWICKO

Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:36 AM

This "preventive detention" bullshit has me seething. I "hoped" for "change" - and got more of the same. Bush Lite.

This shit needs to be pushed, all the way to the Supreme Court if at all possible. Fuck the "threat" of these would-be terrorists; if they're dangerous enough to destroy America, we damned well ought to be able to try them on criminal charges. If we can't, what does it say about our system of law?

Fuck Abe Lincoln and his precedent of suspending habeas corpus. Fuck that "we are in a war" bullshit. Show me where Congress has declared war on any nation. The Constitution says that ONLY Congress has the power to declare war, and they haven't.

And THIS bullshit is EXACTLY why I was against it when Bush and Co. were pulling the exact same stunts. You let 'em do it when it's your guy doing it, and then you have to accept it when it's the NEXT guy doing it. That's why you don't let ANYBODY do it - 'cause once you give them the power, they'll never, EVER give it back.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:39 AM

By the way, you won't get a 3rd-party candidate in in four years, or even in eight.

But what you CAN do, if you're very, very good about it, is get one or two third-party people into some podunk do-nothing national offices in the next few years - and that will be all it takes. All you have to do is show EITHER party that they're being usurped from within by libertarians, and they'll actually sit down and start talking to AND LISTENING to those same libertarians. Politicians don't give a shit about you or me, but they definitely DO give a shit about votes, and they'll chase them anywhere.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:49 AM

Yeah... I agree with all of that except the "Bush Lite" thing.

Obama is Bush on stereroids.

He isn't vilified for all of the powers now at his disposal because it was "that a$$hole" that put them there, yet he himself uses them and apparently isn't only not going to repeal them, but he will expand them to limits we've never seen.

He was also the first president in (what will likely end up) 2 decades that actually officially won the presidency in a single day.... just a few hours to be exact. Those that loved him were high on the euphoria of change and those who feared him didn't even bother trying to drag the vote on for as long as possible because they knew that change was here.

By the time the Obama lovefest is officially over, he'll probably already have re-worked the legal framework around the Constitution such that he would be king.

Obama is Bush with blackface on. Only this time it REALLY ain't funny.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:43 AM

Allow me once again to point out that I called this in advance, chapter, verse and footnote.

And toldja all what to do about it even then.

I been holding my tongue as of late, yes, I did see that preventive detention bullshit, and all the rest, but since the best intervention points have already passed with most of the more useful folk hemming and hawing and makin excuses - and the freakin rethugs just sharpening their knives and biding their time instead of being a real opposition, whilst me and mine quietly saw the supports out from under em, there isn't much to do but follow a plan laid down well over twenty years ago when I saw this crap coming in the first place.

Especially with watching the powers that be play right into it, we're good on personnel and funding for a decade and more as it is, anything else is just gravy, especially with Justin getting back from down south and taking over day to day operations leaving me naught to do but watch and wait for the seeds I spent a lifetime planting to grow and blossom.

Btw Jack, the hellcamps are dead, dead, dead - most of them are now closed, bankrupted, and their primary intake centers and financial income source (Pathway Family Center) has been throttled into a deteriorating coma - the beast might take a while to die, but once you lop the head off, it's all but inevitable.

Only thing left to reccommend to folks with enough sense to see it coming is to suggest that they see to their own needs, and perhaps stock away some extra for those less fortunate because going it alone seriously sucks, and friends are good to have.

In the end, the powers that be are gonna hand me everything I need to hamstring em on a silver platter, without even realizing it - they've already handed me most of the hard-right, semi-racist types, who can be wound up and set to any activity imagineable by more or less prefacing it with "hey, look, he's BLACK!", meh heh heh...

Especially since this administration, via the MIAC report, has already tipped it's hand and expressed exactly what it regards them as.

Tsk tsk, it's all too easy, sometimes.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

BADKARMA00

Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:59 AM

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel helpfully explained.

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I actually found that quote the most intesting, since it's been HObamaman and his supporters who accused Bush of using the crisis of 9/11, and the fear it inspired, to make things happen.

Not so much change after all, is it?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

WHOZIT

Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:40 PM

Barry should have waitted 8 years to run when times will be better. He's a "Photo-op Prez", he looks great, he sounds great, but Pelosi and Reid are the ones running things. Right now we need a Rudy Giuliani, someone who can really fix things. But instead with the help of his whores in the press we get President Photo-op. He's popular now, but like all "POP stars" people will get sick of him in time.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:38 PM

I can't even watch that dude, Maddow. He's trying to mimic Olbermann so much, they're beginning to resemble each other. He can't utter 1 sentence w/ out lying, distorting or making shit up about anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman.

The T.Rex they call JANE!

KPO

Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:40 PM

Quote:
but like all "POP stars" people will get sick of him in time.

He's a harvard educated law professor...?

Heads should roll

SERGEANTX

Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Right now we need a Rudy Giuliani, someone who can really fix things.

Just when I start getting really fed-up with Obama, you remind my how bad it might have been. Thanks.

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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