Change you were dumb enough to believe in
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 21:45
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Hmm. Well I just watched the vid and rather than jump into the scrum with everyone about minutia (Cheney this, Obama that) I'll just offer a general observation about MSNBC.
This clip is a perfect example of how their network is an insult to journalism. The very way Madow opens her piece speaks volumes.
We begin tonight with a tale of 2 speeches, both from the same man, both from Obama. One speech that could have been billed as a ballad to the constitution, a proclimation of american values, a repuduation of the lawless behavior of the last presidential administration. And another speech: announcing a radical new claim of presidential power that is not afforded by the constitution and that has never been attempted in american history, even by George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
My god. This isn't just slant, this is a 90 degree sheerwall. Is this the kind of stuff MSNBC puts out daily? I never watch so I cannot know. She (or the network I should say, she's a mouthpiece) completely frames the discussion into biased confines with the very opening. I can see how less intelligent viewers would be swayed, it's just propaganda. Blind propaganda taken straight from the playbook of Goebbels.
Propaganda: The dissemination of information aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of people which stands opposite to the concept of impartially. Propaganda in its most basic sense proffers information primarily in order to influence an audience with selective facts to encourage a particular synthesis, or frames a subject pre-emptively, in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.
Beyond the framing of the subject, she and our president Just--Keep--Reminding--Us about "Bush" and "Cheney". I wonder if this will work in 2012 when it will actually matter for them.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Do you have a different opinion?
Is that a question?
Quote:Bush taxed our troops. Thousands of American deaths & more civilians is a much higher tax than mere money, dude.
High taxes: He's raising taxes on everybody. Lets face it, they're talking about taxing soda and a middle class tax hike, the energy tax, a health care tax, etc.
Quote:And that's worse than letting them play fast & loose with our economy to get rich quick & let it all collapse exactly how? Just a pendulum- the other side of the coin.
Strict control of banks and industry: They are rewriting contracts, threatening executives, strongarming deals, bypassing bankruptsy laws, forcing banks to take money (with conditions), firing CEOs, etc.
Quote:Bush was on the bailout wagon as well. He would have avoided spending what Obama has exactly... how?
Spending higher then Bush: Obama's first 100 days included more spending then Bush's six previous years combined.
No, Obama is not our saviour- he's a man with a BIG MESS on his hands thanks to Bush & Clinton.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Aside from security issues, regulation under Bush was pretty much the same as under Clinton.
Gotta love that qualifier...
"Aside from that little incident, how was your trip to Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?"
"Aside from that, how was the show tonight, Mrs. Lincoln?"
Yeah, ASIDE FROM the "security issues" like warrantless wiretaps, the Patriot Act, torture, doing away with habeas corpus... Aside from things like that, you'd hardly even notice the difference...
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Bush taxed our troops. Thousands of American deaths & more civilians is a much higher tax than mere money, dude.
It's not even just that. Bush quite literally tried to charge the troops for the privilege of having their limbs blown off in his honor. In more than one case, people who were given sign-up bonuses were asked to give those bonuses back after their grievous injuries left them unable to fulfill their term of service. How's that for just plain heartless?
Also, many of the reserves were denied combat pay by dint of the way their deployment orders were written. The rules say that if you're deployed for more than 360 days (or one year), you're eligible for combat pay (which is a higher pay bracket). So the defense department "accidentally" wrote the deployments for 259 days. "Accidentally".
The treatment of the troops by the previous administration is an affront and a slap in the face to everyone who's ever served.
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Gotta love that qualifier...
"Aside from that little incident, how was your trip to Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?"
Yeah, ASIDE FROM the "security issues" like warrantless wiretaps, the Patriot Act, torture, doing away with habeas corpus... Aside from things like that, you'd hardly even notice the difference...
I added the qualifier because we were discussing the effects of business regulation. Security regulation had little effect on business except for delays or minor cost increases.
Who we listened to or whether we engaged in involuntary swimming classes for POWs had no meaningful effect on the mortgage industry which, up till last year, was laboring under the deregulation done in 1998 and 1999. Although I would consider that bad regulation rather then deregulation.
Deregulation says "do what you want". Thats not what we had. We had bad regulation "lend money to folks who can't pay you back". In effect we enacted a regulation that would prevent banks from having long term profit or viability. Very smart bankers saw this and developed the means for short term profits for the stockholders and high payments for themselves. Some people consider this dishonost on their part, but they were banks, not charities and businessmen, not priests. This was the ONLY way they could make money in their field under the regulations imposed on them.
In the case of the banks, we could have regulated less and done better.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The treatment of the troops by the previous administration is an affront and a slap in the face to everyone who's ever served.
I never hear that from the vets. Sure you get a couple here and there who say stuff like that...especially if they are running as Democrats, but the troops loved Bush and Cheney.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Quote:Cites and quote please. Back up your opinion with fact. Being a lawyer, it should be EASY for you to find the aforesaid "regulations". And if you can't find them....
We had bad regulation "lend money to folks who can't pay you back".
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Cites and quote please. Back up your opinion with fact. Being a lawyer, it should be EASY for you to find the aforesaid "regulations". And if you can't find them....
We had bad regulation "lend money to folks who can't pay you back".
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
Hehehehehehehhhhhh...
Good to see you around, Signy, even if only in a limited capacity.
Mike
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On Cheney and the WMD: The intelligence he received about Saddam Hussein having WMD was wrong, yes. The lying part comes in when his intell then TOLD him the information was wrong, and he used it to build a case for war anyway.
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Quote:I would like to see broad proof of that as well.
Originally posted by Hero:
the troops loved Bush and Cheney.
And not just some support from them that know no better...
The laughing Chrisisall
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