Israel about to get its ass kicked
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 04:47
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Originally posted by rue:
When your choices are fight and die, or roll over and die, which would you chose ?
I don't ever choose to die. Just because you can't think of another choice doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means you don't know.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Some good points there. We may be generating the nugget of an idea in all this discourse and debate. "What they've tried has not worked and they haven't learned from it" applies equally to both sides. As for "what next?", I'm with ya - fucked if I know. We have a pretty clear history of what DOESN'T work, and really no idea what does. My idea of civil disobedience of the utterly non-violent variety still hasn't been tried there, and historically it's been very effective. Amass the Palestinians at the checkpoints, have them show clearly and unequivocally that they are unarmed, and then leave it up to Israel to make the next move. Shoot into the crowd? Round them up? Mow 'em down? Or leave them be? What you do next shows your true colors and your real agenda to the world. If you do nothing, the Palestinians have won a moral victory. If you do anything against them, you pretty much hand them the PR victory in the eyes of the world.
You can fight and die, you can roll over and die, or you can just stand there and do nothing, refusing to fight and refusing to die, and the other side almost automatically looks like the bad guy.
Mike
I was trying to remember who said that - that's a great idea. And invite every news source on the planet to cover it. So Israel has banned coverage in Gaza, word still gets out. Like you said, you start making them look like the villains.
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I thought I thought of it first. Or stole it from Ghandhi first, at least. Might have been Bill Hicks, though - the more I think about it, it sounds like the kind of plan he'd have loved.
Like I told Finn, it ain't my fight... still, part of me really wants to go over there and organize just such a demonstration, just to see the look on the Israelis' faces - and to see the look on the Palestinians' faces, when not firing a single shot nets them a victory. I doubt I'd be well-received by either side, though, me being an athiest, and thus an infidel in both religions!
ETA: Yes, media coverage is the key. You HAVE to have tons of news coverage and dozens of news outlets and cameras around at all times, or you definitely, absolutely will be killed the moment the cameras are off.
It's a fight and a cause that you need to be 100% willing to lay down your life for, because you're probably going to die trying it. Still, if you're Palestinian, you're probably going to die soon anyway, so what's to lose?
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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There are always other avenues than strapping bombs to teenagers
Like WHAT?!
I think they should they should try Palestinian Han'ah M'Ontanna. Good islamic girl by day
Rock star by night
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http://reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUKLS652339
(Reuters) - Israeli aircraft struck at tunnels used for smuggling goods and weapons on the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt on Wednesday, residents of the Gaza town of Rafah and Hamas security officials said.
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And here we were being told that the only thing those tunnels were for was for kidnapping Israeli soldiers. I *thought* they might have other uses!
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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They are probably used for both, many tunnels for blankets and medicine
others are used to smuggle guns and rockets
The trouble is both the Jews and Arabs are arrogant and pigheaded and fail to look at anyone without personal prejudices
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The American Right is getting a bit crazy over Iran's satellite
Iranian Sputnik
Posted on February 6, 2009 by nhiemstra
http://conservativemeanderings.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/iranian-sputni
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On Tuesday, Iran apparently succeeded in getting its Safir space launch vehicle off the pad and into space, and claims to have put a satellite into orbit. Those paying attention will recall that Iran made a similar claim last August, despite the assessment by most Western analysts that the 2008 attempt failed shortly after launch. While it is tempting to mock Iran’s nascent space program, a close look at the Iranian media images reveals why this event is so very serious: The first stage of the two-stage Safir rocket appears to be a Shahab-3 MRBM motor. There are undoubtedly many other components of the Safir that have direct application to Iran’s ballistic missile programs. Iran has now demonstrated for the second time the ability to employ multi-stage rockets, a significant hurdle on the path to IRBMs or even ICBMs. This week’s launch is just one more example of why the U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement should go forward, and why national missile defense is needed here in the United States. Oh, and did we mention that the missile was named “Omid,” or “Hope”?
In other news, Iran also provided a textbook example of why experience matters in a commander in chief. Following President Obama’s sophomoric attempt to sweet-talk them into direct engagement, Iran’s response — predictably — was to push back as hard as possible and frame the United States as the party negotiating from weakness. Iranian spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham declared, “This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed.” Anyone familiar with Iran’s twisted worldview and obsession with perceived U.S. wrongs of the past could have seen this coming, but President Obama apparently thought Iran would swoon the way Berliners did during his campaign and agree to drop 30 years of enmity toward the “Great Satan.” Does anyone out there think John McCain would have made such a weak-kneed misstep? Alas, that’s the difference between hope and experience.
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Quote:Definitely NOT! McCain would have sent Sarah Palin to Israel to assess the situation, and she would have reported back that Hamas needed to be nuked, and that would have been the END TO ISRAELS' PROBLEMS!!!
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Does anyone out there think John McCain would have made such a weak-kneed misstep?
Well, except for some fallout in the atmo, but y'know, can't make an omelet without.....
The laughing Chrisisall
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Trying to "keep up with the joneses" on a national prestige level is every bit as stupid, and ruinous, as doing so on a local level.
For the all the shit they talk about it, they ain't gonna DO nothin cause that would result in their capitol being a glass lined radioactive crater, only mental midgets and morons resort to actual warfare in the modern era.
And if they WERE gonna do something, they sure hell wouldn't be so verbally belligerant about it in such a fashion, either.
Hell, North Korea *did* build a nuke, and could prolly deliver it - so why haven't they ?
Cause having one keeps US, the big bad bully who hides under a rock at even odds, out of their damned country.
Fuck me if I wouldn't want one too, and badly, were I in charge of Iran, and push comes to shove they won't even *have* to R&D one cause the Russians will hand em one to protect THEIR interests in the region, and if we dare bitch they'll pointedly ask how Israel got nukes in the first fucking place, neh ?
And if you doubt me, go find out Iran's FIRST satellite got into orbit.
So screw it, be happy for em showing intent to join the 21st century, offer em satellite TV, home shopping channel, Mcdonalds, Burger King and Barbie - borg the bastards, if you wanna get your hooks in.
And yes, despite Barbie being technically blacklisted, they'd sell, in fact they'd probably sell all the BETTER for it, just ask how much money RJ Reynolds made slippin Marlboro behind the iron curtain - not to mention that even in a country where women are not respected, little girls rule the world, and daddy isn't gonna deny his precious daughter something she *really* wants, especially if he friends have one and she does not.
Yes, they rule the world, and the girl scouts are an ancient conspiracy formented to make us all cookie dependant - just be glad they ain't sellin lines of credit!
Although one around here shills cell-phone plans for daddy, and oh the horror, she's good at it.
Seriously though - to hell with sending troops to invade, send Lisa Frank, Barbie and Hello Kitty!
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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