Israel about to get its ass kicked
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 04:47
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Originally posted by rue:
Taken from a longer editorial.
As always, cites would be nice.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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geezer: use the google
The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090112/shawn
I haven't even read the article. I've read enough opinion on this. It's like reading about the meaning of the election. It's a war, created by an imbalance of power. It's really more Nietzschian than anything else.
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NYTimes:
"Israel Halts Attack Briefly to Allow Aid Into Gaza — Under international pressure to ease its 12-day bombardment of the Gaza Strip, Israel briefly suspended its fighting on Wednesday and agreed to do so for three hours each day to permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population.
It was not immediately clear whether the militant Hamas movement, which governs Gaza, had also agreed to the plan, although senior Hamas officials were quoted as saying that it would not fire any rockets while Israel suspended its bombing."
That last bit:
"... senior Hamas officials were quoted as saying that it would not fire any rockets..." seems to confirm they were firing rockets at some point, and not some other militant group that they had no control over.
My own personal prejudice... both side's behaviour is sickening and frustrating, but I would never side with anyone that uses their people as bombs. I expect the next post to say something like, "so you only favor bomb bombs?" There are always other avenues than strapping bombs to teenagers - I will never get around that.
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Nah, the next post is going to say
"If they can agree to stop shooting at each other for a couple hours a day, why can't they just agree to stop shooting at each other?"
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There are always other avenues than strapping bombs to teenagers
Like WHAT?!
Not shooting them ?
Doesn't work, not only will they shell whole neighborhoods if someone so much as lights a firecracker, you've got those damn land stealing settlers picking shit, and when the Palestinians fight back against THEM, the freakin Izzies go berserk and shell em over that too.
Rely on the international community ?
Yeah right, as if they don't have their heads firmly up Israels ass kissing away because of their well-parlayed perpetual victim status.
Run the blockades ?
You see where that got Cynthia McKinney, right ?
Shoot back ?
And take massive civvie casualties, a losing proposition at best.
AND no one else has been willing to address the plain and simple FACT that Israel has a long history of false-flag provocations and attacks which is not shared by their opponents, which they have often used to "justify" their racist and genocidal hatred of all who are not them.
People do not suicide bomb because of ideals, zealotry or any of the bullshit you've been fed by people who are in fact paid to tell you believable lies.
People do that shit because they got nothing LEFT, no family, no work, no food, no money, health issues, and NO HOPE OF THAT CHANGING, ever.
And so they choose to exit this world in a manner of their choice, with a final blow against the people they feel put them in that situation, which is all the damn sadder cause most of the time the only people they wind up killing are the other sides joe average who more than likely hate that shit as much as the bomber did, and are just as powerless to stop it.
It's fuckin idiotic - but if you wanna PRETEND they got any kind of choice other than fight a losing battle or roll over and die quietly so we're not offended by them harming the favored sons of god, then let's hear what alternatives they really have, right ?
Comes a time when playin nice buys ya NOTHIN.
Back in 1939, Poland tried to play nice with Germany, see what it got em, right ?
Back in 1939, Finland did NOT play nice, despite everyone in the international community thinking it was a hopeless lost cause, and on paper it damn sure looked that way, but that wasn't how it played out, yes ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war
Of course, no guarantees that'll work neither, the Catalonians fought tooth and claw and quite bravely, while even our own Gov was backing Franco cause contrary to revisionist history, most of the ruling class here thought Fascism was the greatest thing since sliced bread at the time, being constantly under threat from Anarchists and Unionists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Catalonia
But seriously, cut the bullshit - what choice do they have?
Fight and die, or roll over quietly and die, that's about it, the Izzies don't want peace, they want that LAND, and remember what I said about the only way you take land from someone else in the middle east.
You ask me, they ain't fightin dirty ENOUGH.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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People do not suicide bomb because of ideals, zealotry or any of the bullshit you've been fed by people who are in fact paid to tell you believable lies.
People do that shit because they got nothing LEFT, no family, no work, no food, no money, health issues, and NO HOPE OF THAT CHANGING, ever.
Frem, I've been saying the same thing for years. I've been trying to explain to people that you'll have a hard time stopping this kind of behavior until you understand how things got so fucked up that this kind of behavior was accepted. For my trouble and calm words, I was labelled a traitor and un-American, and told that I should go and join my fellow terrorists. So much for understanding...
You're dealing with people like Finn here, who actually BELIEVE that whole bullshit line about "love it or leave it" and who think that "love" equals blindly following leaders and never asking questions, and above all, NEVER trying to understand a viewpoint that opposes your own. You'll note that just yesterday he indicated that Hamas would love to have me as a member, since I'm so in love with them and all their warm fuzziness. This, because I implied that they might, just MIGHT, have the basis of a legitimate gripe against Israel.
For him and folks like him, fuck 'em. They ain't gonna listen, no how, no way, so it's wasted breath.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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But seriously, cut the bullshit - what choice do they have?
Fight and die, or roll over quietly and die, that's about it...
Yup, there comes a time when the words of Pancho Villa ring true...
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
But seriously, cut the bullshit - what choice do they have?
Fight and die, or roll over quietly and die, that's about it, the Izzies don't want peace, they want that LAND, and remember what I said about the only way you take land from someone else in the middle east.
You ask me, they ain't fightin dirty ENOUGH.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
Short answer: f*ck if I know. I'm just some schmoe typing on a fan site. To play along though..."More violence?" Not likely. That will just bring down even more disproportionate violence - going out in a blaze of glory is great for the other guy. The Patton quote about that still works.
Suicide bombing does not work. Your quote says it all - what they've tried has not worked and they have not learned from it.
On top of that it has to be the most perverse way possible for a government - that risks little - has of treating it's own people. "We are against Israel killing our people, so we will kill our own people."
Shooting little rockets only woke them up. They have tried violence - it does not work.
"What next" I would start with the diplomacy of public shame against Israel, which actually seems to be starting.
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When your choices are fight and die, or roll over and die, which would you chose ?
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Silence is consent.
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
But seriously, cut the bullshit - what choice do they have?
Fight and die, or roll over quietly and die, that's about it, the Izzies don't want peace, they want that LAND, and remember what I said about the only way you take land from someone else in the middle east.
You ask me, they ain't fightin dirty ENOUGH.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
Short answer: f*ck if I know. I'm just some schmoe typing on a fan site. To play along though..."More violence?" Not likely. That will just bring down even more disproportionate violence - going out in a blaze of glory is great for the other guy. The Patton quote about that still works.
Suicide bombing does not work. Your quote says it all - what they've tried has not worked and they have not learned from it.
On top of that it has to be the most perverse way possible for a government - that risks little - has of treating it's own people. "We are against Israel killing our people, so we will kill our own people."
Shooting little rockets only woke them up. They have tried violence - it does not work.
"What next" I would start with the diplomacy of public shame against Israel, which actually seems to be starting.
Pizmo:
Some good points there. We may be generating the nugget of an idea in all this discourse and debate. "What they've tried has not worked and they haven't learned from it" applies equally to both sides. As for "what next?", I'm with ya - fucked if I know. We have a pretty clear history of what DOESN'T work, and really no idea what does. My idea of civil disobedience of the utterly non-violent variety still hasn't been tried there, and historically it's been very effective. Amass the Palestinians at the checkpoints, have them show clearly and unequivocally that they are unarmed, and then leave it up to Israel to make the next move. Shoot into the crowd? Round them up? Mow 'em down? Or leave them be? What you do next shows your true colors and your real agenda to the world. If you do nothing, the Palestinians have won a moral victory. If you do anything against them, you pretty much hand them the PR victory in the eyes of the world.
You can fight and die, you can roll over and die, or you can just stand there and do nothing, refusing to fight and refusing to die, and the other side almost automatically looks like the bad guy.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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