Israel about to get its ass kicked
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 04:47
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Pizmo
Just count the posts on this thread.
Badger
Grow up. Now I'm getting attacked for being a zionist and for being a nazi?
All I did was oppose this war.
Yes, Israel took palestine. Now they have it. And lots of guns. If someone took your house and filled it with guys with guns, would you stay?
But wait...
Idiocy continues.
Watch, and enjoy. Grab a beer. That's what PN is doing. good show old man.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo
Just count the posts on this thread.
More due to the volatile subject and less to do with PN's posting or *unique* spin on it. Whatzit could have generated as large a post count. If PN was popping in stirring the pot I might agree.
I do acknowledge that his posts are primarily to generate web traffic to his site and it's all about revenue - and I'd guess his approach is pretty successful. I tip my hat to him for that.
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dreamtrove - at what point did i attack you for a being a Zionist or a Nazi? Although i feel it it would be tricky to be both at the same time....
As for whether people should leave their homes when they're outgunned and outnumbered, ever heard of a thing called principal? Why should an indigeneous group of people leave their land because someone else covets it. Sure your not British? You certainly have the 17th century colonialist attitude. Mind you, if you're American i suppose your used to throwing the natives off their land!!!!! Joke btw, don't every1 go radge at me!
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Quote:Perhaps you’re dumb enough to believe that. But I’m not.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, finn. Israel is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Palestinians in danger.
Quote:Both.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Let's put your situational ethics to the test. If, say, an American soldier tortures, beats, shocks, and possibly kills an Iraqi prisoner in Abu Ghraib, is that HIS doing, or the doing of the United States, since he's there on our orders, doing our dirty work?
Quote:That’s not my logic. That’s your strawman. My logic does not absolve the “bad apple,” as it were, at all, but it also doesn’t absolve the government, whose job it is to maintain security. And when it comes down to it, Hamas has often attacked Israel. Much of Hamas is composed of plain clothed extremists. And finally, the murder and hatred of Jews is one of the tenants that Hamas stands for.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
According to your own logic, and what you've posted here, the "bad apple" isn't responsible; his government is, because it (a) should have known better, and (b) should have been able to control its people.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yeah, I wouldn’t limit that to Americans. After all, it was the British who did a lot of that in the Americas. Afterward you did it to the native Australians, and then the Indians, and the Africans. And long before that, you did it to the Scots and the Irish, oh and the Welsh (a native people whose name is derived from a derogatory English word). The Irish, I might add, you nearly exterminated. Fortunately, you didn’t get all of us. So that I can be here to tell you off!
Originally posted by badgersveryfinehat:
As for whether people should leave their homes when they're outgunned and outnumbered, ever heard of a thing called principal? Why should an indigeneous group of people leave their land because someone else covets it. Sure your not British? You certainly have the 17th century colonialist attitude. Mind you, if you're American i suppose your used to throwing the natives off their land!!!!! Joke btw, don't every1 go radge at me!
People, all over, have a long history of subjugating someone or another. Even in the Americas, Native American tribes would fight and take each others territory all the time. It has left a complex tapestry of hatreds and suspiciously defended borders, which we must now figure out what to do with.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"Yeah, I wouldn’t limit that to Americans. After all, it was the British who did a lot of that in the Americas. Afterward you did it to the native Australians, and then the Indians, and the Africans. And long before that, you did it to the Scots and the Irish, oh and the Welsh (a native people whose name is derived from a derogatory English word). The Irish, I might add, you nearly exterminated. Fortunately, you didn’t get all of us. So that I can be here to tell you off! "
Ha ha i consider myself suitably chastised!! Although a bit less of the "you" comments,
I'm a Scot of Irish descent on both sides, we suffered more than most as you said. At least we can agree about those bloody English tho...lol
Still, just cause people have been nicking land from each for years doesn't make it right. Thats one of the main reasons for the groundswell of public support for Palestine in Glasgow, a lot of people can draw parallels with England occupying Ireland and forcing hundreds of thousands out the country, either as slaves or refugees. The ones left behind just got robbed, murdered and generally treated like scum, so a lot of us sympathise with Palestine.
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ps what's the derogatory word that we derive Welsh from? I've never heard anything about that
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Geezer originally wrote:
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I'm trying to defend or justify Israel's actions. Nothing cold be further from the truth. I figure they're screwing the pooch big time in relation to Gaza and the Palestinians in general, and have been doing so for quite some time. I just think that Hamas shares the blame for the current circumstances, since they (like the Israeli government) require an aggressive posture, backed by frequent armed conflict and a steady supply of martyrs, to stay in power. The folk of Gaza, when given a choice between the hardline Hamas and a more conciliatory Fatah, chose the hardliners, just as the folk of Israel chose a hardline government. Their mistake, in my opinion.
Geezer, on this point, at least, I think we're in complete agreement. I can say that Israel screwed up, and not be a "jew-hater" - and I can also say that the Palestinians have the basis of a legitimate gripe, and not think "all Palestinians are fuzzy". There have been massive muck-ups galore on both sides, and it's pretty much always going to be the innocent on either side (women and children who have not part in this fight) who pay the highest price.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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More due to the volatile subject and less to do with PN's posting or *unique* spin on it. Whatzit could have generated as large a post count. If PN was popping in stirring the pot I might agree.
I do acknowledge that his posts are primarily to generate web traffic to his site and it's all about revenue - and I'd guess his approach is pretty successful. I tip my hat to him for that.
Yes, but it's the clever construction of his kindling that gets it started. Whozit does not have kindling. He posts a link and an immature remark, and nothing happens. John would've stepped in to stir things up if it was required, but it didn't need to, the monster had grown a life of it's own.
Badger,
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dreamtrove - at what point did i attack you for a being a Zionist or a Nazi? Although i feel it it would be tricky to be both at the same time....
No, you were just insulting me for being zionist, directly after other people were assaulting me for being a nazi.
I'm a tomato farmer from rural NY, with a 5th grade education, if you can count skipping two of those years. Admittedly, I get a kick out of how some people here will argue with me, and even lose, it's like a round of are you smarter than a fifth grader, I have to assume, since I have no TV. Someone has my firfly DVDs atm. Otherwise, I'd watch them, though this firefight is entertaining.
I'm a Taoist, and so I oppose conflict. I'm not against self defense, just suicide, and genocide. I think that both Ohlmert and Hamas are immensely megalomaniacal and not very bright, and looking passed the tragedy of the whole situation, it's impressive how people will take sides.
I mean, it's take your pick really. If you were to look at Stalin vs. Hitler, and listen to people take sides, it would be hysterical if it weren't so sad. Since I can't do anything about the tragedy here, on either side, I mostly am resorting to laughing at the defenders. But I seem to have gotten caught in the crossfire where I get attacked by both sides (something which literally happened to a friend of mine in Iraq recently.)
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Perhaps you’re dumb enough to believe that. But I’m not.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, finn. Israel is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Palestinians in danger.
No? You sure? Because that's exactly what you posted about the Palestinians earlier. Okay, maybe you're not that dumb, but certainly you are dumb enough to not know the difference between "tenants" and "tenets". Or between "then" and "than". You're domonstrably that dumb, even when continually corrected. Some people just can't learn, apparently...
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And finally, the murder and hatred of Jews is one of the tenants that Hamas stands for.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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