Israel about to get its ass kicked

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KWICKO

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:29 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by rue:
Hamas is allowed to defend itself from Israeli aggression.

It's only January 6th, but RUE has already secured the MOST USEFUL IDIOT OF THE YEAR award with that comment. Admit it, yer just a good ole' fashioned Jew Hater...right? Swappin e-mails with Mel Gibson much lately?

Then I suppose that post secures for you the MOST USELESS IDIOT OF THE YEAR award.

Saying that someone has a right to defend themselves is now equated to hating the oppressor's entire race? So if I say I have a right to defend myself against the Crips or the Bloods, I now hate all black people?

I can hate what a few individuals do without hating the entire group. I can hate what the Israeli government is doing without condemning the Israeli people. I can hate whas Hamas is doing without hating all Palestinians.

You DO see the difference, right?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:33 PM

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Of course, rue. Hamas is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Jews in danger.

Of course, finn. Israel is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Palestinians in danger.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:39 PM

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If Hamas fires missile into Isreal, it’s someone else, not Hamas. Hamas isn’t even responsible as the government of the Gaza Strip. This is your argument. This is what you have posted.

Let's put your situational ethics to the test. If, say, an American soldier tortures, beats, shocks, and possibly kills an Iraqi prisoner in Abu Ghraib, is that HIS doing, or the doing of the United States, since he's there on our orders, doing our dirty work?

According to your own logic, and what you've posted here, the "bad apple" isn't responsible; his government is, because it (a) should have known better, and (b) should have been able to control its people.

Likewise, if a group of mercenaries working for Blackwater shoot up an Iraqi street, killing 17 unarmed civilians, then that is of course the responsibility of the United States government, because it was us who hired them, sent them there, and paid them. So obviously we were paying them to murder civilians. This is what you've posted.

Have fun with that.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:44 PM

Impressive. Most impressive.

First, let me clear a fact, a change in position for me: Hamas is deliberately provoking Israel to attack it, and let's be fair, Kadima, and Ohlmert are falling for it. Again, govt. is not country.

Hamas is a bad govt. and doesn't care if their own people die. Kadima is a bad govt. It doesn't care how it looks internationally. Currently, outside of the US, Israel is hated. They had a lot of sympathy in Europe up until now.

So, it's a war in which both sides are wrong, and one side has 99% of the firepower, so the outcome is obvious.

Okay, that said, you people are being played.

John posted this deliberately to watch you go at it like siamese fighting fish. And you oblige.
I'm not the first person to post this, if you scan the threads, you'll see that Frem said it two days ago.

I particularly love this exchange:

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RUE
Hamas is allowed to defend itself from Israeli aggression.

RIVERLOVE

It's only January 6th, but RUE has already secured the MOST USEFUL IDIOT OF THE YEAR award with that comment. Admit it, yer just a good ole' fashioned Jew Hater...right? Swappin e-mails with Mel Gibson much lately?

Okay taking sides here would be silly. Girls, can I be sexist for a moment and say meow?
To be fair, guys get into it to. But one can envision this on video.

I always assumed Rue was jewish. I don't know why. But it's probably more likely than that she's a Nazi, or an arab. Just counting the odds of the staff of pharmaceutical companies.

But I'm going to have to go with Frem on this one, I'm enjoying the comedy. Okay I fell for it, before he pointed it out. Check out the number of responses on this thread.

And River, Love, it's going to be a long year. I think you just topped Kathy.

I agree with most of what you post, but you must reflect that was a stunner of a post you just made. You should be able to take a step back and laugh at it yourself. Do take a step back. Forget for the moment that posts like this do as much for your own popularity as Israel's invasion of Gaza is doing for theirs, and marvel in its glory.

Oh, and BTW, yours cannot top the stupidest comment yet, since the now deleted post claiming that I, a descendent of holocaust survivors, was responsible for the holocaust, or would be responsible for the next one. That was dumber.

We all post dumb things.

I like Kathy, and I generally disagree with what she posts, but her statment is legit. Hamas has that right. I would concur that this isn't the only thing going on. Or that Hamas gives a damn. I mean, remember, Hamas isn't located in Gaza themselves, not Hamas leadership, they're off in Ramallah, being not attacked.

This is certainly not even the dumbest thing posted by Kathy, but it's the dumbest thing posted by River. I confess to posting some dumb things, my dumbest was on the second amendment.

But I've nominated a couple of things for the dumbest post already that were just dumb. Not politically naive or wrong, but dumb. Hero still holds the all time record.

But before you two embarass each other any further, realize why you're here. And then go check out some of the other threads, a lot of discussion about the hate here.

Then realize that John posted this, no offense John, well done, by all means, but your little experiment in how much hostility you can generate has proven your point.

That point, as he posted in an earlier thread, for those who missed it, is that people are sheep. And observe.

But now it has run its course, and I'm going to put an end to this, by simply exposing to anyone who reads this why this thread was started.

We came to this site to unite, across political lines. I, for one, politically side with River, but not on this issue, because she's just off the deep end. Kathy is the opposition, who I like, who has posted some more absurd things on this very thread, has posted some quite insightful ones elsewhere.

In scanning, I notice people are talking about me. I take it back, JewelStaiteFan has

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:48 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by rue:
Hamas is allowed to defend itself from Israeli aggression.

It's only January 6th, but RUE has already secured the MOST USEFUL IDIOT OF THE YEAR award with that comment. Admit it, yer just a good ole' fashioned Jew Hater...right? Swappin e-mails with Mel Gibson much lately?

This was simply unnecessary and uncalled for - another remark that seems out of character... people switchin' up usernames?

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

This was simply unnecessary and uncalled for - another remark that seems out of character... people switchin' up usernames?

I didn't know there was a critic in here now. Anyhow, your little comment is not appreciated, in case you care.

RUE

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:00 PM

"I always assumed Rue was jewish."

Child of well-educated Polish immigrants (one of whom survived Russian labor camps), raised Roman Catholic though at best agnostic for many decades, working-class background.

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Silence is consent.

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:01 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Oh, and btw, I know John, I'm not guessing that he created this thread to manipulate you guys. It started as a strategy to get maximum exposure but now I think Frem is right, it's just a game to watch the fireworks.

People still read his posts?

BADGERSVERYFINEHAT

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:07 PM

Just out of interest, are all these posts coming from American users of the site? I can't speak for public opinion across the pond, being from Glasgow, but over here the general support is firmly in the Palestinian camp, perhaps for historical reasons and parallels many West-Coast Scots may draw with Palestine and their own background.

There was one post I seen from Dreamtrove I think it was, and I was astounded by the scale of it's stupidity. I can't quote exactly but it was something along the lines of "The main problem is Palestinians won't surrender, they could always go and seek refuge somewhere else, set up a colony elsewhere etc etc etc". I hope to God you where displaying a level of sarcasm I just can't comprehend, or else you're just an idiot.

ISRAEL TOOK PALESTINIAN LAND!!!!!

If anyone should downsize their borders it should be Israel, they've been conducting an illegal occupation for almost 60 years. What the Israeli government done under the cover of the 1948 war was nothing short of ethnic cleansing. In the "Nakba", the 'catastrophe', almost a million people were forced out of their homes at gunpoint, civilians were massacred by the Hagana and other paramilitary organisations, and Palestinian villages were deliberately destroyed. This campaign had been taking place for two years before the '48 War, and continued into the fifties. This is the brreding place for Palestinian militantism. (spelling?)

Whilst I will not say that Hamas are right to attack settlements, I feel secrectly Israel would have been only too happy to recommence hostilities. As for Hamas support - Put yourself in the position of an ordinary, educated Palestinian young man; an organisation you have no ties with fires crude, often home-made rockets into an occupying neighbour, casualties rarely reaching double figures. Your neighbours then use their far superior military might to bomb your only functioning power station, sabotage your water supply thus further hamstringing your medical and humanitarian capabilities, already at breaking point due to Israeli sanctions. Imagine watching water supplies, hospitals and roads etc that Hamas have paid for and built being obliterated.....

How would you react?

For every Hamas leader Israel claims to kill, there is usually 15 civilians dead as well, and will result in 50 more young men flocking to their cause.

Ps as I type this there is a news report stating that an Israeli rocket has killed 30 civilians when it, on purpose, was fired into a UN-school. Israel claims it was fired upon from the school. Yeah, the UN are trying to bomb Israel now. Gits

Pps i would like to point out that none of my arguements or feelings are based on racial or religious matters. I'm a white, working-class Catholic in Glasgow, so i'm not a "Hamas-lover", or a "Jew-hater".

GEEZER

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Geezer - the question is who broke the truce. The answer was that it was Israel. What happened before the truce was in place, or after Israel broke it is not the issue.

Hamas is allowed to defend itself from Israeli aggression.

There's enough disinformation and conflicting stories about to make any assumption on who first broke the latest truce, or any of the previous ones, a crapshoot. Both sides are always keyed up to initiate, or respond to, a provication.

My only issue is to show that, despite your repeated claims that they did not, Hamas did fire rockets into Israel early in the present conflict. I think I've done that.

If Hamas wants to defend itself, as you say they are allowed to do, perhaps shooting rockets at the IDF, rather than at completely non-military targets, would be more fruitful. It would also give them the moral high ground, as they wouldn't be killing civilians, like the Israeli forces are.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I'm trying to defend or justify Israel's actions. Nothing cold be further from the truth. I figure they're screwing the pooch big time in relation to Gaza and the Palestinians in general, and have been doing so for quite some time. I just think that Hamas shares the blame for the current circumstances, since they (like the Israeli government) require an aggressive posture, backed by frequent armed conflict and a steady supply of martyrs, to stay in power. The folk of Gaza, when given a choice between the hardline Hamas and a more conciliatory Fatah, chose the hardliners, just as the folk of Israel chose a hardline government. Their mistake, in my opinion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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