Israel about to get its ass kicked
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 04:47
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Quote:Well I think, to a large degree, the question of who is right and who is wrong is moot. And when it comes to Israel, the support that is given to one side or the other, is often far too emotional and less rational.
Originally posted by badgersveryfinehat:
Still, just cause people have been nicking land from each for years doesn't make it right. Thats one of the main reasons for the groundswell of public support for Palestine in Glasgow, a lot of people can draw parallels with England occupying Ireland and forcing hundreds of thousands out the country, either as slaves or refugees. The ones left behind just got robbed, murdered and generally treated like scum, so a lot of us sympathise with Palestine.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:No. I haven’t said anything about Palestinians in this whole debate.
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Perhaps you’re dumb enough to believe that. But I’m not.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, finn. Israel is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Palestinians in danger.
No? You sure? Because that's exactly what you posted about the Palestinians earlier.
Quote:Maybe. Maybe I just don’t consider you important enuf to use correct spelling.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Okay, maybe you're not that dumb, but certainly you are dumb enough to not know the difference between "tenants" and "tenets". Or between "then" and "than". You're domonstrably that dumb, even when continually corrected. Some people just can't learn, apparently...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Thats one of the main reasons for the groundswell of public support for Palestine in Glasgow, a lot of people can draw parallels with England occupying Ireland...
The city is also an historic hotbed for socialism...
Heads should roll
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Originally posted by rue:
"... a 250m tunnel going into israel, designed to capture israeli soldiers ..."
That is an assumption put forth by Israel as justification for their actions, not a fact.
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It might be a fact, and probably is a fact.
I'm interested in how you are so sure that it's an israeli fabrication. Does it not sound like something Hamas would do? Have they denied it?
Heads should roll
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Geezer originally wrote:
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I'm trying to defend or justify Israel's actions. Nothing cold be further from the truth. I figure they're screwing the pooch big time in relation to Gaza and the Palestinians in general, and have been doing so for quite some time. I just think that Hamas shares the blame for the current circumstances, since they (like the Israeli government) require an aggressive posture, backed by frequent armed conflict and a steady supply of martyrs, to stay in power. The folk of Gaza, when given a choice between the hardline Hamas and a more conciliatory Fatah, chose the hardliners, just as the folk of Israel chose a hardline government. Their mistake, in my opinion.
Geezer, on this point, at least, I think we're in complete agreement. I can say that Israel screwed up, and not be a "jew-hater" - and I can also say that the Palestinians have the basis of a legitimate gripe, and not think "all Palestinians are fuzzy". There have been massive muck-ups galore on both sides, and it's pretty much always going to be the innocent on either side (women and children who have not part in this fight) who pay the highest price.
Mike
I guess when it comes to War, defending the actions of one side over the other does somehow imply you'd rather see the other side dead. I suppose being neutral could mean you want both sides dead, nobody to die, or you just don't care.
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dreamtrove, at no point in my post did I even mention the word Zionist so how i managed to insult you for being one i cannot fathom. Altho i feel your pain, my firefly dvd's aren't working, some fiend scratched them. Although i've just been told Serenity is on itv4 woohoo!!!!!
KPO, although I accept your point about Socialist leanings in Glasgow, i don't automatically link it with the opposition to Israel's stance, as Glasgow has largley shaken off the "Red Clydesiders" image in recent years. Recently in my electoral ward Labour lost the parliament seat for the first time since its founding. However the point i'm trying to make is that a lot of support is due to humanitarian issues, not politics, altho it probly has had an influence.
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I guess when it comes to War, defending the actions of one side over the other does somehow imply you'd rather see the other side dead. I suppose being neutral could mean you want both sides dead, nobody to die, or you just don't care.
I wouldn't say that defending or understanding the actions of one side automatically assumes that you want the other side dead. I can *understand* why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and can even defend why they thought it was a good idea at the time (they were woefully mistaken, but their leadership did think it was a good idea, and that it would (a) cripple the US in the Pacific, (b) give Japan time to take over most of the Pacific and use it as a buffer zone and source of materiel and mineral wealth for their empire, and (c) even though they knew full well they'd have to deal with the US over the attack, they thought they'd be able to sue for favorable terms to stave off a war they thought the US was inadequately prepared to fight. They were dead wrong, but that was their thinking, and it made sense at the time, at least to them), but that in no way whatsoever should be construed as my thinking they should have won the war, or that we should all have died.
Your argument is rather too simplistic.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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I'm going to let the real king of the jews take it home.
In my experience, this is the majority jewish opinion. Stewart's, not Cooper's.
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"It might be a fact, and probably is a fact."
Because you say so ? Because you think so ? Those are not enough.
"I'm interested in how you are so sure that it's an israeli fabrication. Does it not sound like something Hamas would do?"
No.
"Have they denied it?"
Yes.
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Taken from a longer editorial.
It is irrational for the Israeli leaders to imagine that the Palestinians will understand this particular point of view--will understand why Jews might find it appropriate, let us say, to retaliate for the death of one Jew by killing a hundred Palestinians. If a Palestinian killed a hundred Jews to retaliate for the killing of one Palestinian--for that matter, if a Thai killed a hundred Cambodians to retaliate for the killing of one Thai--which, from the point of view of the Israeli leaders, would of course be unjust, that would be racist, as if one Palestinian or one Thai were worth a hundred Israelis or a hundred Cambodians. But if a Jew does it, it's not unjust and it's not racist, because it's part of an eternal struggle in which the Jews have lost and lost and lost--they've already lost more people than there are Palestinians. Well, it's not surprising that certain Jews would feel this way, but no Palestinian will ever share that feeling or be willing to accept it. What the Palestinians see is an implacable and heartless enemy, one that considers itself un-bound by any rules or principles, an enemy that can't be reasoned with but can only be feared, hated and, if possible, killed.
As poor and oppressed people around the world are very well aware of the events in the occupied territories, and as they strongly identify with the Palestinian struggle and point of view, the future of the Jews looks increasingly dim.
Consequently it is disgraceful and vile and no favor to the Jews for American politicians--for narrow, short-term political advantage, for narrow, short-term global-strategic reasons and, yes, also in expiation of the residual guilt they feel over what happened to the Jews in the past--to pander to the irrationality of the most irrational Jews.
Actions based on irrational premises inevitably fail in their purposes--they fail, and if the premises don't change, then the actions are inevitably repeated, in forms which are more and more grotesque. It is unbearable to think that the new American administration would begin with more American dollars being poured into what is unjustifiable. It is also unbearable to think that among the first words we would hear from our new, clearly rational president would be preposterous sentences trying to persuade us that Israeli policies which seem to be appalling are actually quite normal and acceptable. Certainly nothing our new president could do would be of greater value to the world--and greater value to the Jews--than to abruptly end the sickeningly patronizing habit of supporting an irrationality which was born in tragedy and will end in more tragedy.
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