Screw 'em if they hate us
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 09:13
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Yeah. You are right Khyron, but alas, that ended right quick the way that some of us (Hero) knew it would but others were hopeful that it might not this time.
All we're left with is two globalist elitists who will push their separate, but equally chilling Big Brother agendas in our lives. Then when the winning party today loses 4 or 8 years from now, the next president will just push the Big Brother agendas in our lives that the loser in 2008 would have been pushing the last 4 or 8 years.
I was a big fan of Marvel's "What If" series too, no matter how improbable a situation they proposed (which was a real trick given the massive improbability of the subject matter being transmuted).
EDITED TO ADD: I saw that you said "Ron Paul" before in your quote and removed it while I was posting this. Just wondering why you didn't feel like leaving that there.
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Quote:Two reasons for that. First, I haven't been on this forum for almost a year and wasn't 100% certain anymore if you were one of the Ron Paul supporters (I was fairly sure, but didn't want to risk being wrong on it and looking like a bigger fool than I usually do
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
EDITED TO ADD: I saw that you said "Ron Paul" before in your quote and removed it while I was posting this. Just wondering why you didn't feel like leaving that there.
). Second, I didn't want my comment to be misconstrued as being snarky towards Ron Paul or his supporters, since I sympathize with his position, even though I wouldn't vote for him.------------------------------
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Fair enough. Thanks for being honest about it. 
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Quote:Um except that was Rue. While we share a lot of opinions, we're not the same person
That's my stance on things and it has been since the beginning I've been here Signy.
Quote:I feel guilty for what my country has done overseas, and I'm vastly ashamed of it. I have come to (mostly) loath most politicians since Vietnam. Despite that I truly love my country.
The only difference is that I don't believe it when you say it. Every word out of your mouth sounds like you feel guilty for living here and you're ashamed of being American.
Quote:I think that's something we agree on.
All I'm trying to say is that it is possible to REALLY love your country and the privelages you were born into and also have major problems with the Status Quo.
Quote:Agreed, but... first people have to recognize that there IS a problem, and IMHO they (you) don't recognize the monster that is corporatism, because....
And to take that the logical step further get off our collective fat asses and do something about it.
Quote:... the one thing they DIDN'T count on was the formation of powerful corporations, the concentration of power and media in the hands of a few very wealthy people, and the corruption of government by moneyed interests. One of the FF (I forget who) basically said: This all works until we run out of land, because th ability to create your own economic independence would be there until then.
Anything that has happened in our lives is not anything that our founding fathers hadn't thought of before and did their damndest to structure a government which couldn't do them.
But they were devising a system of government, and it's powers and limitations vis a vis "the people", not an economic system. So all of their redress is in the form of action on "the government" through voting, leaving the corporations free to do pretty much what they want. (Unless you're a believer in putting corporations under rule of law, in which case you could seek economic remedies through political means. But failing that, our government is impotent to address many of our economic issues.)
Quote:We're already there, 6ix.
If we let it happen, we deserve what we get.
Quote:I LOVE the United States. I HATE monopolistic corporatism. Maybe I'm singing to the choir when it comes to you, but your frustration with the rest of the world and desire to be an economic dictator (albeit a benevolent one) makes me think that you REALLY haven't "got it" yet. So I'll keep bashing away at corporatism, which- despite people's assumptions to the contrary- does NOT define "the United States.
But America bashing everyday is not the answer.
Quote:I agree. But here's the deal... you can make changes in several ways.... you can be a singular person (like Napolean) acting from a position of tyranny, you can effect change through a larger group (but still a minority) by exerting yourself through revolution (like the Russian revolution) or you can get almost everyone to take two steps in one direction (like the environmental movement, the civil rights movement, or the feminist movement). The fewer the people involved, the more extreme the action required on the part of those people to create change.
I love my country. I know it's flawed, and if it weren't, it would be heaven and I probably wouldn't belong here anyways. But if we don't stand up and be counted and start making changes then what is our worth, really?
However, it's been my observation that the broader the base of change the more lasting that change will be.
The way I see YOUR challenge then is to change as many minds as possible.
You haven't convince me yet that laizzes-faire monopolism combined with libertarianism is the way to go. Quite the contrary: it sounds like an economic dictatorship of nightmarish proportions.
Read Young Rissa by FM Busby... just the first fifty pages or so. You'll see what I mean.
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6-ix
You, and many other posters here, have not had the benefit of living in countries further up on the scales: of happiness, political freedom, opportunity, education, healthcare, lifespan, economic stability, peacefulness ... you have no perspective. And no idea that that is all achievable, and being enjoyed every day by millions, billions of people. Instead you look to your fruitless daydreams of, what, freedom to smoke ?
Maybe, just maybe, the US SHOULD be bashed for how it treats its people (third class to corporations and capitalism), for what it has done around the globe (the world as corporate property), and for what it has become (a kleptocracy of, by and for the wealthy).
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Hear, Hear.
In America, irony isn't the fear of socialism, but the LACK of fear of fascism.
People here pull their hair and shriek piteously at the mere thought of free cough drops for poor children, meanwhile lobbyists pay congress to improve the legal standing of big business OVER individuals. (And a gesticulated fie! to the Supreme Court for helpin' 'em)
Soon, legally, you may find yourself the equivalent of 3/5 corporate entity. Think they'll make a new amendment, or just resurrect and reword the old one?
--WhoDied
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Where'd you get all that Rue? A magazine? A book? An internet article? A Michael Moore movie?
The grass is always greener.... "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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6-ix
Just b/c you're ignorant is no reason to assume everyone else is, too.
I lived within 5 miles of Canada for over half my life - watched Canadian TV (including their boring news with so little crime), listened to Canadian radio. And spent a little bit more than year in Canada. And have Canadian friends.
I know quite a bit about Canada, what it's like to visit, what's it's like to live there.
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6ix- All you have to do is visit Mexico and Canada to know that national policy makes a difference. So, where would you rather live, eh?
Quote:Sad to say, about 5/6 have no idea what you're talking about, and... 3/5 would actually be a step UP for us.
Soon, legally, you may find yourself the equivalent of 3/5 corporate entity
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
6ix- All you have to do is visit Mexico and Canada to know that national policy makes a difference. So, where would you rather live, eh?Quote:Sad to say, about 5/6 have no idea what you're talking about, and... 3/5 would actually be a step UP for us.
Soon, legally, you may find yourself the equivalent of 3/5 corporate entity
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Let's party like it's 1929.
I like it. I read that 3/5 line and thought, "Man, I've never seen it put quite so eloquently before." That's just about a perfect analogy.
Mike
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