First California gay couples wed
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No, and I will explain what I meant...so that even the slowest here can understand.
So called liberals do not mind taking away the rights of people, on issues they disagree with. These include (but are not limited to) guns and smoking. As in gun and smoking bans.
I live in D.C. and get to listen about how "great" those bans are from the mouth-breathers here.
I AGAIN do not have issue with gays being together. I just don't believe it should be called "marriage"...but rather a "civil union".
Jeebus....
You don't mind curbing some rights, and boosting others...but God help anyone who either disagrees with what you are doing, or says let everyone have true liberty.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, and I will explain what I meant...so that even the slowest here can understand.
So called liberals do not mind taking away the rights of people, on issues they disagree with. These include (but are not limited to) guns and smoking. As in gun and smoking bans.
I live in D.C. and get to listen about how "great" those bans are from the mouth-breathers here.
I AGAIN do not have issue with gays being together. I just don't believe it should be called "marriage"...but rather a "civil union".
Jeebus....
You don't mind curbing some rights, and boosting others...but God help anyone who either disagrees with what you are doing, or says let everyone have true liberty.
Yeah... we got what you meant. You just don't seem to get it yourself.
One - You are generalizing far too much. Not all Liberals support limiting rights. I do not, nor do many others in this discussion, so your generalization undermines your point.
Two - Those other topics are not the issue at hand. We are discussing Gay Marriage (not guns or cigarettes, M'kay?). In which case, we're all saying equal rights - you are the one wanting rights limited for a small segment of the population - because of your personal views on their lifestyle.
Limiting them to "civil unions" and restricting them from "marriage" is still infringing on their rights. You are the one arguing against "true liberty".
You can't be the only one in a thread in favor of limiting rights - and then say we're the ones trying to take away their liberties.
Do you seriously not get the irony of standing up, and insulting others here, claiming that they are not supporting liberty - when you are the one going "Just not for these people"? Honestly? Can you really be that thick???
Do you grasp this? Shall I type more slowly?
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Wulfenstar,
I don't get exactly what you're saying...
if marriage is solely a religious institution then states have no business even recognizing it...that's a pesky first amendmant issue.
So everything is a civil union under the courts.
But, on the other side of the coin, if gay people can find a church that is willing to join them in holy matrimony, then that would make their marriage legit right? Because that would be a religious institution using the term marriage to bind those two people together. By the way there are such churches...or are we supposed to only accept marriages performed by some demoniations over others? Maybe catholics are more married than Jahovas Witnesses?
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Hmmm... Can't say as I know what the hell you're talking about, Wulf. I'm about as liberal as anyone here, and I'm a smoker AND a gun enthusiast. I'm getting ready to pop for my Concealed Handgun License here in Texas (in Austin, the most liberal city in the state, where they STILL let you not only have guns, but carry them!).
I don't really go to bars any more since the city outlawed smoking in ANY establishment (pretty much, pool halls and bingo parlors are okay, which I find more than a little ironic, since most bingo parlors are located in churches...), but I'm still allowed to smoke in my house, outside, or in my car (but I don't smoke in my car, because I can't stand the smell).
So, to me, your attempt at clarification makes no sense whatsoever.
You're pissed because you can't smoke in public buildings any more? Man up, you whiney little bitch! Isn't that exactly the kind of pussified behavior you were pissing and moaning about earlier?
Mike
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Like children, you must have your way and ONLY your way....
Smoking? Carrying a gun? HELL NO! Freedom of self and liberty only apply to those things WE want!
Grow up.
Whoa, whoa, whoa...same-sex couples smoking AND carrying guns?! Now you've drawn a line that even I won't cross...I said "marry 'em," not "arm 'em and impair their respiratory systems".
EDITED out of some ill-defined sense of circumspection.
It was an inch given and a mile taken when we got here!
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Let me explain the difference between the issues you raised and the issue being discussed in this thread. The bans you speak of are to protect people from things others may use to harm them (guns and second hand smoke)
Gay marriage offers no such danger, 2 gay people being married will certainly not cause any harm whatsoever to passerbys.
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Don't you know ? Gays getting married somehow makes Wulfie unmarried. I'm still working on how that happens, but it must be true. Wulfie said so.
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Quote:You know how they say the right to swing your fist ends at my nose? Well then, your right to smoke ends at my nose. Smoke all you want! Just don't expect me to breathe the crap that you foul the air with. AFA guns... carry one all you want.
So called liberals do not mind taking away the rights of people, on issues they disagree with. These include (but are not limited to) guns and smoking. As in gun and smoking bans.
Quote:Ah, so altho it IS considered a marriage by the State of CA, and is in fact legally a marriage -even tho no clergy was present- you do not "believe" it should be called a marriage.
I AGAIN do not have issue with gays being together. I just don't believe it should be called "marriage"...but rather a "civil union".
Sounds like somebody went and looked up the law, huh?
Quote:Indeed
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ou know how they say the right to swing your fist ends at my nose? Well then, your right to smoke ends at my nose. Smoke all you want! Just don't expect me to breathe the crap that you foul the air with. AFA guns... carry one all you want.
Kinda how I look at it. I smoke, and *I* don't like the smell!
Mike
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So let me get this right, you are pissed that "they" are INSISTING that they be treated equally under the law, but you have no problem with the fact that BIG GOVERMENT actually enacted laws to prevent gay marriages.
I mean either you are agaisnt Government interference or you aren't
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