Screw 'em if they hate us
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 09:13
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
I've never quite understood why Americans think themselves the freest nation on the planet. It's probably the Netherlands or another small European country - their citizens are trusted to be free and take responsibility for their own lives and there's no phony war on drugs nor religious masses oppressing anyone who differs from Judeo-Christian paths.
You're not even the freest nation in North America.
Yep, Hitler really loved that whole freedom thing....
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I thought I've been pellucidly clear from the start that most of our interventions and our "foreign aid" support "our" corporate interests abroad. I can point to whole swaths of the globe where we've either invaded and installed a tyrant, engineered a coup, or supported a resident dictator just so we could get our bananas (Honduras), copper (Allende overthrown by Pinochet), oil (too many to name, start with Tran), shipping lanes (Panama), diamonds, or what-have-you.
So, to paraphrase, "SignyM, can you even envision for a moment a LITTLE bit of air between "the United States" and "capitalism"? Or are they synonymous in your mind?"
Apparently they are, since it's never, "the capitalists did this" and always "We (the US) did this". Capitalism, in your worldview, can do no good, and since capitalism and the US are the same to you, the US can do no good either.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I've never quite understood why Americans think themselves the freest nation on the planet. It's probably the Netherlands or another small European country - their citizens are trusted to be free and take responsibility for their own lives and there's no phony war on drugs nor religious masses oppressing anyone who differs from Judeo-Christian paths.
You're not even the freest nation in North America.
Yep, Hitler really loved that whole freedom thing....
Stupidest comment EVAR... but the day's still young. I'm sure you can top it.
Mike
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Dr. Ron Paul quotes:
"Having federal officials, whether judges, bureaucrats, or congressmen, impose a new definition of marriage on the people is an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty."
"Everyone assumes America must play the leading role in crafting some settlement or compromise between the Israelis and the Palestinians. But Jefferson, Madison, and Washington explicitly warned against involving ourselves in foreign conflicts."
"I am absolutely opposed to a national ID card. This is a total contradiction of what a free society is all about. The purpose of government is to protect the secrecy and the privacy of all individuals, not the secrecy of government. We don't need a national ID card."
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
"The obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people."
"You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get rid of all the drug laws."
Amen.
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Quote:I don't know why you insist on putting words in my mouth. The United States has a huge capacity for good, and at times we actually exercise it. Rebuilding Japan and Germany was to our vast credit. So was the New Deal. The environmental movement was born here. And so was democracy.
Apparently they are, since it's never, "the capitalists did this" and always "We (the US) did this". Capitalism, in your worldview, can do no good, and since capitalism and the US are the same to you, the US can do no good either.
But we've become hostage to the desires of large corporations and monopolies. Our entire foreign policy is all about conquest. We have troops everywhere they don't need to be. And sooner rather than later, our capacity for compassion, fairness, and honesty will be beaten down under the whip of raw, unbounded greed. If you present the Bill of Rights as a current law about to be passed, most people think it's "too liberal". But almost anyone will defend "capitalism" (yet another concept they don't understand) at the drop of a hat. They're like you: At a gut level they'll defend corporations first, religion second, and a democracy maybe a distant third.
Their view... YOUR view... of America is both insular and myopic. For the past 60 years or so we have been THE dominant economic and military power. We vastly changed the political and economic landscapes of over a hundred nations... mostly to their detriment.... without ever once really noticing what we did. It was all about us and always about us: What our corporations wanted, and what we could be induced to fear. I'm simply trying to open up space between corporate- America other so that we can engage self-reflection, and hopefully some self-preservation.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I've never quite understood why Americans think themselves the freest nation on the planet. It's probably the Netherlands or another small European country - their citizens are trusted to be free and take responsibility for their own lives and there's no phony war on drugs nor religious masses oppressing anyone who differs from Judeo-Christian paths.
You're not even the freest nation in North America.
Yep, Hitler really loved that whole freedom thing....
Not quite sure what you mean by that. Could you explain a bit further?
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Quote:Small European countries produce guys like Hitler- dat s**t don't fly here in the good ole' U S of A.
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Not quite sure what you mean by that. Could you explain a bit further?
*I'mguessin'isall
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Quote:So...you were captain of your Strawman team in High School...?
Originally posted by Geezer:
Apparently they are, since it's never, "the capitalists did this" and always "We (the US) did this". Capitalism, in your worldview, can do no good, and since capitalism and the US are the same to you, the US can do no good either.
Heh, Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't know why you insist on putting words in my mouth.
Because they're your words.
"They're jealous of our long work hours, our high crime rate, our homelessness, our boob of a President, our monopolism, our lack of health-care. And what they're REALLY jealous of is our system of government, which is freely selected by a corrupted and fraudulent voting system."
"The same way we can have our military bootprint all over the world, our soldiers in many countries and yet STILL feel like we're "being attacked"."
"I can point to whole swaths of the globe where we've either invaded and installed a tyrant, engineered a coup, or supported a resident dictator just so we could get our bananas (Honduras), copper (Allende overthrown by Pinochet), oil (too many to name, start with Tran), shipping lanes (Panama), diamonds, or what-have-you."
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Is any of that factually incorrect?
Originally posted by Geezer:
Because they're your words.
"They're jealous of our long work hours, our high crime rate, our homelessness, our boob of a President, our monopolism, our lack of health-care. And what they're REALLY jealous of is our system of government, which is freely selected by a corrupted and fraudulent voting system."
"The same way we can have our military bootprint all over the world, our soldiers in many countries and yet STILL feel like we're "being attacked"."
"I can point to whole swaths of the globe where we've either invaded and installed a tyrant, engineered a coup, or supported a resident dictator just so we could get our bananas (Honduras), copper (Allende overthrown by Pinochet), oil (too many to name, start with Tran), shipping lanes (Panama), diamonds, or what-have-you."
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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