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Screw 'em if they hate us

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 09:13
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:33 PM

I'm sick...

I'm tired...

And to quote Ozzy, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired...

Don't hate on America people. Especially if you live here. We've got our problems, and I agree they must be tended to sooner than later, but our history is of that of a Nation who has been the freest of any who has ever lived in recorded history.

Most of them haters are just hypocrites that have just been jealous for eons of our wealth, prosperity, inginuity and general dominance over the world (eons as in a blink of an eye in time if you're a backer of the Big Bang Theory). Look at all of them who weren't modernized 50 years ago scramble to learn Basic English and modernize themselves in 15 years what it took hundereds to develop here.

Everybody hates 'mericans but nobody wants to be 'merican, know what I'm sayin'?

America.... You've come a long way baby.

Don't let the haters get you down.

~6sJ

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:14 PM

That's pretty sad, 6ix. They hate us because they're jealous?

Oh, right.

They're jealous of our long work hours, our high crime rate, our homelessness, our boob of a President, our monopolism, our lack of health-care. And what they're REALLY jealous of is our system of government, which is freely selected by a corrupted and fraudulent voting system.

Sheesh! As if they don't have their own democracies!

What you need to do, 6ix, is go visit other nations, particularly Europe... but Canada will do. Just see how seething they are with jealousy. Pick up on the vibes of their "Oh how I wish I was in the USA!" as they have lunch at streetside cafes and talk with friends. Look around and see how miserable they are in their low-crime cities and parks! Absorb their underlying anxiety about health care, and notice their basic fear of strangers.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:24 PM

I've never quite understood why Americans think themselves the freest nation on the planet. It's probably the Netherlands or another small European country - their citizens are trusted to be free and take responsibility for their own lives and there's no phony war on drugs nor religious masses oppressing anyone who differs from Judeo-Christian paths.

You're not even the freest nation in North America.

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:44 PM

You got it Simon. But it comforts us to believe the fantasy.

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:48 PM

"inginuity" *snort*

Who's scrambling to learn basic English?

Cheers,
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:08 PM


um...

where we've been ahead, kudos to us. We created a robust, almost failsafe republic with enough checks and balances that even today under great strain, it looks like we have not permanently lost our democracy.

Kudos to the founding fathers who built a better system on the backs of other systems. Kudos to them for taking religion out of it, another failsafe that has often been under attack.

But in the big picture, it hasn't all been roses. We were late to the game of abolishing slavery, we were late to the game of giving blacks equal rights.


If you look at our status in the world today, we have the highest incarceration rate, and the highest prison population in the world, and just so that this doesn't get confused as being a case of humanitarianism, countries such as germany which have no death penalty come in far under us in this category.

We come in at like 47th or something on the freedom index for press,

we have one of the highest infant mortality rates of developed nations,

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I have to go to work..so I'll continue this later.

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:



We come in at like 47th or something on the freedom index for press,



Not that I don't generally agree with you-- America is a pretty good, but not perfect, place. The guy who wrote the Preamble to the Constitution called for a " more perfect union"-- wasn't then, isn't now; and that's the goal we ought to be keeping our eye on and working toward.

But I'd like to see some substantiation for that rating of 47th on freedom of the press. I could readily accept not in the top 10, maybe, but out of, what, 150 nations recognized by the UN, not that we're 1/3 of the way down.

Who , exactly, rated us as that low, and what was their methodology?

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:54 PM

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On the 2007 Worldwide Press Freedom Index, Reporters Without Borders rated the U.S. 48th out of 169 countries:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025

The method for investigation is a 50-item questionaire:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24046

More on how the index was compiled:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24027

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:00 PM

I don't think there is any real study of our freedom of the press and I also think we are rated low whenever there is a Republican President just to make that office look bad.



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Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:07 PM

Actually, the U.S. was ranked 17th in 2002, and 22nd in 2004:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4116 (2002)
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11715 (2004)

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