Screw 'em if they hate us

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
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RIGHTEOUS9

Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:20 PM

Other cutting edge acheivements -

free education for the public,

dilineating freedom of the press in the bill of rights

Both of these are significant contributors to the sustainability of our democracy.

I'm proud that we were on the cutting edge of these things, that we pushed these boundaries, and that we were leaders for the rest of the world to emulate...

but we can't sit on our asses and just continue to parrot "we're still the best country in the world in just about every way," without making sure that it is so.

First, that requires being inquisitive about the very premise.

Second, that requires being critical of ourselves if we are falling short of the mark., saying so if we've become feet dragging followers rather than leaders.

To do the opposite is not patriotic, because in order to be patriotic you have to try to preserve the ideals that this nation was founded on. You have to believe in the constitution and the bill of rights.

Attacking the critics of our nation simply because they have criticisms of it, or because they have bad things to say about what America has done or is doing, is not being patriotic, it's being nationalistic, and that is trite.

It's the same old universal brand that can be applied to any country, at any point in history, and it is never pretty.

American patriotism is the choicer philosophy.

GEEZER

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
First, that requires being inquisitive about the very premise.

Second, that requires being critical of ourselves if we are falling short of the mark., saying so if we've become feet dragging followers rather than leaders.

To do the opposite is not patriotic, because in order to be patriotic you have to try to preserve the ideals that this nation was founded on. You have to believe in the constitution and the bill of rights.

I got no argument with that. I have problems with some of what goes on here as well.

But folks who are unremittingly, stridently critical of everything that happens in and relating to the US, who never have a positive thing to say about the country, and who insult and demean anyone who thinks that, with all its faults, it's a pretty good place, aren't helping to improve anything. They really are just hating, and add nothing positive to a search for solutions to the problems.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

RALLEM

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:42 PM

Well said Geezer

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SIGNYM

Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:23 AM

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How on Earth can Republicans control most of the American media, spend most of the time controlling the US Government, and yet still have a colossal victim complex? Is this some sort of undiscovered mental illness?

The same way we can have our military bootprint all over the world, our soldiers in many countries and yet STILL feel like we're "being attacked".
And yes, it is a mental illness.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:29 AM

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How on Earth can Republicans control most of the American media, spend most of the time controlling the US Government, and yet still have a colossal victim complex? Is this some sort of undiscovered mental illness?

Umm, the GOP controls nary any of the media, and its the Democrats who control both Congress and Senate. What civics courses you took which some how states a party only owning 1/3 of the 3 branches of Government is somehow in control of that Gov....is beyond me.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

PIRATECAT

Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:57 AM

I don't just love America I am im Love with AMERICA. Making out with a spanish girl in Virginia Beach, making out with a asian chic in Redondo Beach, checking out the sunsets in the Badlands of South Dakota and eaten bread pudden down in Na Orlans. Look I had a terrible childhood [as two violins play in the background] but you get to work and build your life. Europa everybody sits around in cafes whinning about us because their lives are crap. If they had jobs they could be productive. Two world wars that they started has left their goverments planning everything in their miserable soccer lives. Goverment took control after ww2 and now has to solve everything. The commies used the epic movie "Grapes of Wrath" to show how terrible Amercia is. Guess what happened the poor Russian people question why do they have cars to get around in. So it ain't that bad. Yes their is shortages of food in the US. The other day my favorite hoagie shop ran out of pepper jack. Thank the heavens and George Bush for stocking up on Swiss, Cheddar, Provalone, and God Bless American. Later Gators PC!

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:01 AM

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If Siggy ever did anything but point out (and often exaggerate) things that aren't right in the US, I'd consider her just like anyone else. There's good and bad here to be noted. But she's 100% critical of everything about the US, or at least has never mentioned a positive. I'd say that qualifies as hating.

Geezer, can you even envision for a moment a LITTLE bit of air between "the United States" and "capitalism"? Or are they synonymous in your mind?

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CITIZEN

Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Umm, the GOP controls nary any of the media, and its the Democrats who control both Congress and Senate. What civics courses you took which some how states a party only owning 1/3 of the 3 branches of Government is somehow in control of that Gov....is beyond me.

Well, the media thing goes round in circles, I've presented numerous arguments as to why the American media is largely Republican controlled, not just indirectly as to who actually owns it, but directly as to how and what they report. In turn you've argued that they're Democrat controlled because they just are, which is not an argument I find compelling. Frankly at this moment my stance on the affiliation of the American media is much stronger and better supported than yours, even if I do say so myself. I'm not saying I'm defiantly right, just that my position has been proved to a more substantial degree than yours.

Secondly, I said most of the time, AU. I'm talking trends and historically, you're pointing at the present situation where Democrats have been voted in, after more and more disastrous Republican policies. The current situation doesn't refute the trend, and the Republicans have been in complete control of the Government for the most of the last decade. The Republicans are in control of the house of representatives and the presidency far more often than they are not, which is basically what I said, and that assertion is not refuted by saying "not at the moment they're not!". How you can think it does is also beyond me

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Look up the voting record and prove me wrong. Prove that Republicans don't spend more time in power. If you find they do, you'll have to admit that saying they're 'minority victims' of 'left whatever' is completely ridiculous, because it's hard to see how those who hold power can be 'minority victims' in any stretch of the phrase. I rather suspect that convincing themselves and more besides that they are victims, is one of the most potent weapons in the Republican arsenal. It means, for instance, that the Republicans can control the US media, make the opposition look bad and themselves look good, and any bad press of the Republicans that gets through can be diminished, because of the Liberal Bias, and any criticism of the Democrats amplified because it made it through that bias, so it must be sooo much worse than they say.

It really is a fantastic weapon in their arsenal, and I suspect has much to do with the control they tend to exert.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:22 AM

Yep.... no surprises here.

People posted exactly what I thought they would post in here. You've got your crazies that hate America , particularly the ones who live here because it's not the Utopia they thought it was growing up. And you got your crazies who are so Nationalistic that they are blind to all of the injustices that we are allowing our government do to foreign countries and its own people. Then of course you've got the people who never post in here but because they either don't like me or don't like my opinions they need to make jokes about my spelling being Basic English...

Then there is the ray of hope.... your thinking people who appreciate just how great they have it, or at the very least the potential for how great they could have it if we restored the checks and balances that once made this nation great.

It's really sad though. Most of you are so anti American it makes me sick. And of the ones who aren't, many back a system that is so misrepresenting what we are supposed to be that you just give the haters the fuel they need to keep on hating.

Go ahead. Throw it away. Keep hating yourself and your country and just keep whining. You armchair warriors. You, who don't deserve the freedoms that you do have and deserve to have the ones that are left stripped away from you.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

AURAPTOR

Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:42 AM

citizen, how you continue to get some things constantly wrong is beyond me. I never said that the media is biased " just because they are ", but because the studies support that conclusion!

Washington Bureau Chiefs and Correspondents

In April 1996, the Freedom Forum published a report by Chicago Tribune writer Elaine Povich titled, “Partners and Adversaries: The Contentious Connection Between Congress and the Media.” Buried in Appendix D was the real news for those concerned about media bias: Based on the 139 Washington bureau chiefs and congressional correspondents who returned the Freedom Forum questionnaire, the Washington-based reporters — by an incredible margin of nine-to-one — overwhelmingly cast their presidential ballots in 1992 for Democrat Bill Clinton over Republican incumbent George Bush.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp

You continue to falsly assume that, because some one owns a radio or t.v. network, and they might be conservative, they MUST dictate how the news gets reported. CLEARLY, the evidence does not support that claim.

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The Republicans are in control of the house of representatives and the presidency far more often than they are not, which is basically what I said, and that assertion is not refuted by saying "not at the moment they're not!". How you can think it does is also beyond me

Well, I'll give you half credit on this one. True, the GOP has sat in the Oval Office much more than the Democrats. But as for the House of Representatives ?? Another lesson begins.....

The Democratic Party dominated the House of Representatives during the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945), often winning over two-thirds of the seats. Both Democrats and Republicans were in power at various times during the next decade. The Democratic Party maintained control of the House from 1954 until 1995. ( That's 40 yrs )The Republicans took control of the House in 1995, under the leadership of Speaker Newt Gingrich. The Republicans would hold on to the House until the United States Congressional elections, 2006, during which the Democrats won back control of both the House of Representatives and, narrowly, the Senate.

You've been proven wrong. Sorry.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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