It's called "torture" Mr. Bush

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 15:55
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GHOULMAN

Friday, May 7, 2004 12:25 PM

Hi,
It's been a wild week of torture fun in Iraq! Found this rather well done article that details some of the things that have been going on. I hope this is OK to post in "General Dissin'" *chuckle*.

Things I've learned...
Torture is policy in Iraq for the US Army.
The Pentagon, President, and Rumsfled knew about it since January.

IMPEACH GEORGE DUBYA BUSH!

BUSH IN PANIC BID TO CURB TORTURE SCANDAL

May 6 2004

Arab fury at President's grovel on TV

From Anthony Harwood Us Editor In New York

PRESIDENT Bush went on Arab TV yesterday in a desperate attempt to quell the growing scandal over abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

But as he condemned it as "abhorrent" and not a reflection of "the America I know", more disturbing details were emerging of savagery at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

A captive is said to have been battered to death and then wrapped in ice and Cellophane in an apparent bid to disguise the brutality.

At least 14 deaths of US captives in Afghanistan and Iraq are now put down to American ill-treatment or are under investigation. Ten possible cases of abuse are being probed.

Yesterday - heightening Mr Bush's discomfort - US military investigators revealed a full rundown of the abuse at Abu Ghraib, from where pictures of sexual humiliation shocked the world when shown on CBS last week.

The dossier detailed more than 20 kinds of offence, including the pouring of chemicals on detainees, use of dogs to intimidate captives, acts of sexual assault and violent beatings.

Labour MP Ann Clwyd is also investigating the case of a 73-year-old Iraqi woman at Abu Ghraib who says she was hooded, made to go on all fours, told she was a donkey and was then "ridden" by her tormentors.

Amid the tide of allegations against his country, Mr Bush gave a grovelling interview to the US-funded Arabic TV station, Al-Hurra: "The actions of these few people do not reflect the hearts of the American people.

"The American people are just as appalled as Iraqis over images broadcast around the world of naked detainees and gloating US soldiers at the prison."

Bush, clearly on the spot but stopping short of an outright apology, added: "It's important for the people of Iraq to know that in a democracy everything is not perfect. Mistakes are made. But in a democracy as well, those mistakes will be investigated and the people brought to justice."

Al-Hurra's output is generally viewed in the region as propaganda. But a second Bush interview was broadcast later on the more popular Al-Arabiya channel.

Bush, speaking from the White House, told the Dubai-based station: "This is a serious matter, a matter that reflects badly on our country. This is a free country. We do not tolerate this kind of abuse."

He dismissed the suggestion that Americans were no better than Saddam Hussein. "A dictator wouldn't be answering questions about this," he said.

"The people in the Middle East must understand this is horrible but we are dealing with it in way that will bring confidence to not only our citizens...but confidence to people in the world that this situation will be rectified and justice will be done."

Later, White House spokesman Scott McClellan used the word "sorry" a half dozen times.

"The president is sorry for what occurred and the pain it has caused," he said. Asked why Bush himself had not apologised, McClellan said: "I'm saying it now for him." In a separate interview with Al-Arabiya, US national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said: "We are deeply sorry for what has happened to these people, and what the families must be feeling.

"It's just not right. And we will get to the bottom of what happened.''

Last night, as the Arab world lashed out at Bush's attempts to placate them. Middle East expert Patrick Seale said the address was "totally unconvincing and ineffective".

Jordanian Jumana Ahmad said: "Talk is cheap. What's been done has been done and Bush's talking to an Arab network does not make it go away."

Sari Mouwaffa

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 7, 2004 12:44 PM

It's little more than "hazing", not torture. Sorry, but this is war.
I'd write a big long bit about how some soldiers clearly did over step their bounds and should ( make that WILL ) get punishment,but whats the point, most of what I'd say would be ignored anyways.

It's the information that is MISSING from your post Ghoulman, as much as what is exaggerated or taken out of context, that I think is important to understand. Not all prisoners are the same. Whether some know more than others and it's vital that we try to assertain what that prisoner knows, or whether some have tried to kill their guards, those things get completely ignored by the general public.

There is no basis what so ever to post nonsense like this or to ask for the Impeachment of President Bush, Ghoulman. And this is nothing but a clear attempt by your kind to politicize EVERYTHING for the sole purpose of gaining the White House, not for the good of the country, but merely for the good of the Democratic Party. I only hope most Americans are wise enough to see through the blind partisanship like yours. Makes it kinda tough when the left wing media offers its own spin/commentary when it delivers the ' news'.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOOCYTE

Friday, May 7, 2004 12:56 PM

Oy.

Department of Redundancy Department

BROWNCOAT1

Friday, May 7, 2004 2:15 PM

Any abuse, mistreatment, or torture of prisoners or detainees in U.S. custody should be punished, and all those involved should be held accountable.

Bush said in his statement that this is a "mark on the honor of the United States" and he is correct, moreso than he probably knows. I can only hope that he uses every resource to investigate these crimes and bring the guilty to justice.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

LIZ

Friday, May 7, 2004 2:18 PM

thank you Browncoat1. i was thinking the same thing.

DTT

Friday, May 7, 2004 2:18 PM

By the way, it's PRESIDENT Bush. You salute the rank, not the man.

"You didn't have to wound that man."
"Yeah, I know. It was just funny."

KNIBBLET

Friday, May 7, 2004 2:49 PM

Murder is not hazing. Torture is not hazing. Physical abuse is not hazing.

Everything that was done in these incidents is illegal. Starting in basic training, one is taught what is legal and what isn't.

This is a systematic problem and one where enlisted people are going to be sacrificed to save the sorry asses of the folks who really need to be in jail.

Who needs to be pursued? The CIA, authorities in Military Intelligence, Diplomats, executives and of course, Rummy.

We go to war based on a pile of stinky lies. We hear continuous justification for the war - those justifications changing every day as more lies are exposed. We learn our government engages in torture and other lovely activities and to protest all this is somehow unAmerican?

To point out lies and object to torture is anti-Bush spin?

Support Our Troops - Impeach Bush

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

GHOULMAN

Friday, May 7, 2004 3:11 PM

Hazing? *Ghoulman quickly throws a bag over AURaptor then masterbates and comes onto AURaptors' head. All the while riding him like a donkey*

Ya know... there is this thing called the Geneva Convention...

ASTRIANA

Friday, May 7, 2004 3:14 PM

Normally I don't get involved in these conversations, and y'all know I love ya more'n my luggage, but I'd just like to point out to Ghoulman that there are CHILDREN on this board, reading the same posts we are. Please do us all a favor (but especially Haken), and refrain from the kind of nonsense in your latest post.

~A~

El Jefé Magnifico de la ThisLand Brownitopia' Mistress... of Communications and Harems! (Browncoats, you got some smutty minds! )

GHOULMAN

Friday, May 7, 2004 3:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
This is a systematic problem and one where enlisted people are going to be sacrificed to save the sorry asses of the folks who really need to be in jail.

Who needs to be pursued? The CIA, authorities in Military Intelligence, Diplomats, executives and of course, Rummy.

Nicely put. And weird... these powerful leaders are the people AURaptors is protecting. Why?

Rumsfled should have resigned yesterday... no question the rest of the world (and the majority of Americans I suspect) will see this as a rubber stamp of approval for torture policy and crimes commited by the USA abroad.

Wow, it just gets worse and worse the more you find out about what's going eh?

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