It's called "torture" Mr. Bush
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 15:55
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Murder is not hazing. Torture is not hazing. Physical abuse is not hazing.
Everything that was done in these incidents is illegal. Starting in basic training, one is taught what is legal and what isn't.
This is a systematic problem and one where enlisted people are going to be sacrificed to save the sorry asses of the folks who really need to be in jail.
Who needs to be pursued? The CIA, authorities in Military Intelligence, Diplomats, executives and of course, Rummy.
We go to war based on a pile of stinky lies. We hear continuous justification for the war - those justifications changing every day as more lies are exposed. We learn our government engages in torture and other lovely activities and to protest all this is somehow unAmerican?
To point out lies and object to torture is anti-Bush spin?
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"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
Unfortunately, none of the things going on right now in Iraq or which implicate the Bush administration, are new to the federal government.
Our forefathers warned long ago that a central government with too much power was the road to ruin. There are many instances in history of abuse of that power and the outcry of the people at injustices. Starting w/ the Lincoln administration in the 1860s, right up to today the federal government has proven time and again that they will abuse the power they took for themselves.
I truly hope those responsible for these crimes are punished, but knowing the feds, sacrifices will be made of soldiers, and lower ranking officials, while the politicians and high ranking officials skate right out of harms way.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Originally posted by Astriana:
Normally I don't get involved in these conversations, and y'all know I love ya more'n my luggage, but I'd just like to point out to Ghoulman that there are CHILDREN on this board, reading the same posts we are. Please do us all a favor (but especially Haken), and refrain from the kind of nonsense in your latest post.
~A~
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Are you serious?
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Quote:As a heart attack, my friend.
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Are you serious?
Note: The post referred to is the one directly preceding my original statement.~A~
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You can't take the sky from me.
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^^^ Sorry. I think it's just fine. I will not edit it. Sorry if you disagree but I believe you're being incredibly prudish. No, I don't make a habit of this sort of thing but it's so in context with this thread (and funny and insults that jerk in context... boy I'm good!)! Again, I don't think kids would be 'hurt' in any way reading this. In fact, I hope kids are reading this.
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All slams towards your President aside, this situation generates several problems.
Credibility in the minds of the Arab world. In order to maintain any relationship other than hostile, you will likely have to punish the offenders very publicly and very harshly.
The second is treatment of prisoners on the other side. So far this has been a little mixed as the enemy force consists of such a mixed bag of groups. The recent escape of the Haliburton truck driver shows that some prisoners have been treated relatively well, after this fiasco will the treatment of these prisoners change? Will they be subjected to the same crap as their Iraqi counterparts?
Incidently, I believe the US has been very reckless in its used of Civilian contractors in military positions. Using these people as Security, Driving Logistics, etc places them in a Military function. Mercenarys in other word and as such they have no legal status or protection under the Geneva Convention. Not that I want to see things happen to these people, I would suggest pulling them out and replacing them with proper troops if the US stays in Iraq, or Afganistan for that matter.
" Thats not fair !!!!
I didn't even have a soul when I did that!"
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Quote:You are free to believe what you like, and I'll support that with my last breath. I was not making a commentary on whether your post would "hurt" anyone, simply that it might be considered inappropriate material and could cause Haken considerable trouble. Edit it or don't as you choose.
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ Sorry. I think it's just fine. I will not edit it. Sorry if you disagree but I believe you're being incredibly prudish. No, I don't make a habit of this sort of thing but it's so in context with this thread (and funny and insults that jerk in context... boy I'm good!)! Again, I don't think kids would be 'hurt' in any way reading this. In fact, I hope kids are reading this.
Please note distinct lack of snarky tone.
~A~
...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
All slams towards your President aside, this situation generates several problems.
Credibility in the minds of the Arab world. In order to maintain any relationship other than hostile, you will likely have to punish the offenders very publicly and very harshly.
The second is treatment of prisoners on the other side. So far this has been a little mixed as the enemy force consists of such a mixed bag of groups. The recent escape of the Haliburton truck driver shows that some prisoners have been treated relatively well, after this fiasco will the treatment of these prisoners change? Will they be subjected to the same crap as their Iraqi counterparts?
Incidently, I believe the US has been very reckless in its used of Civilian contractors in military positions. Using these people as Security, Driving Logistics, etc places them in a Military function. Mercenarys in other word and as such they have no legal status or protection under the Geneva Convention. Not that I want to see things happen to these people, I would suggest pulling them out and replacing them with proper troops if the US stays in Iraq, or Afganistan for that matter.
^^^ sounds like Lou Dobbs *chuckle*. Speaking of Mercenaries... anyone notice the American Mercenary arrested for the train bombings in Spain?
Who are these people???
Things that make you go... Hmmmm.
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Thanx Astriana, certainly if Haken comes along and wants it gone... well, his house.
And Firefly is a rather mature show, I wonder just what you might find appropreate considering this show has featured the sort of sex act I mentioned above (sort of). So I'm a little surprised you think this. Anyho, gotta love ya for standin' up.
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OK, guys. This is doing nobody any good.
There are plenty of valid forums for discussion of this topic, and I am the last person to say that the topic should not be discussed.
But not here.
I'll even say this, because this started with a condemnation of the CinC:
I am a Democrat.
I suppose I am technically a Liberal.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS (explosive diarrhea of an elephant) ON THIS BOARD. It's not the appropriate place for it, ever. 
Haken, please put a ban on these threads? They are taking over what should be a place for Browncoats to discuss their favorite show and come together as a community. It saddens me that some people on both sides of the political fence can't get that.
"I give up. I admit it. I'm a Browncoat."
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Man, this kind of thing really irks me. I was at a republican debate last night where one of the candidates criticized the press for reporting on the incident. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Heaven forbid we report on the abuse of military power. The things these "soldiers", and I use that term loosely, did are unprofessional and immature.
Of course party politics plays into it. It's an election year. But that's a two-way street, my friend. Make no mistake, by putting off these irresponsible acts as mere partisan politics, the republican party is playing that game just as much as the democrats. Don't give me the "but, this is war" rhetoric. Sure, war involves killing and death and atrocities beyond naming, but we're referring here to prisoners of war. How do you feel about the beatings the POW's in Vietnam suffered?
All that being said, administration is not to blame unless it knew of the abuse and did nothing to correct it. Until proven otherwise, I refuse to believe that's the case here. Though I voted for Gore last time, Bush has my support — and my vote — because he's done a phenomenal job with the taxes and offered incentives for auto companies to develop altenative fuels.
Speaking of fuels, that's something else that bothers me. I think the foreign nations are raising the price to spur popular opinion and get Bush out of office. I have no evidence or proof of this. That's just how it seems.
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