Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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Hummm, Can't we just decide not to do stuff like this as a matter of principle? I mean we're smart, we're tech savvy and we're not religious nutballs (well, most of us.) I'm pretty sure we could come up with far more effective techniques than this?
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Have we abandoned sodium pentath...TRUTH SERUM?
Ask me a question that normally I would lie to Chrisisall
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Well truth serum doesn't work but there are technologies that can determine if you are lying by measuring the activity and delay in certain parts of the brain. Put simply it takes more effort to lie, even for people trained to be deceptive, and we are getting close to being able to determine that in real time.
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Quote:That’s not what waterboarding is either.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Ah ya big baby, I regularly choke near to unconsciousness from swallowin' stuff down the wrong pipe (I must have ADD), it just takes the proper ugchughhhf to dislodge something, and sometimes it takes a moment or two, that's NOTHING like having your lungs rudely introduced to H2O, not even close.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I once chocked on a biscuit. I’m pretty sure that I was inches from death and it was probably luck that the wad of saggy biscuit dislodged before I lost consciousness. That was worse then waterboarding, because I might have actually died.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Fletch, you're talkin' about tossing the training manuals on interrogation here...no one likes to be put out of a job...
Originally posted by Fletch2:
there are technologies that can determine if you are lying by measuring the activity and delay in certain parts of the brain.
CIA
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Quote:Sorry, I understood it to be drowning someone, but not really- I thought water entered the lungs, do I understand incorrectly?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s not what waterboarding is either.
Chrisisall
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From Wiki:
Quote:Sounds like water's in the lungs to me....
Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on their back with the head inclined downward (the Trendelenburg position), and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages.[1] Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning and is made to believe that death is imminent.[2] In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex.[3] Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death.[4] The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.[5]
Badisall
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:And there we have it. It must be a very simplistic life you lead to ignore anything that might contribute to some degree of understanding beyond your ideology. It’s not enough to disagree with the use of waterboarding on the true merits of what waterboarding, you have to pretend it’s something its not and paint anyone who doesn’t except this one-sided view as stupid or evil. You don’t have any perspective and you don’t want any.
Originally posted by rue:
God, you're evil.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
You keep ignoring that our government considered it torture when they were convicting the Japanese for it.
I guess it's just not torture when we do it.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:My god Finn, have you lost your brain somewhere? Yeah, I think we all know who Pol Pot was, and the Khmer Rouge, and knowing all that only makes Rue's point stronger because even the man who experienced Pol Pot's torture says that waterboarding is torture. And I would say THAT guy has a well-founded perspective... which is a helluva more than I can say for you!
So, I take it you don't admit the perspective of a Pol Pot torture survivor who says waterboarding is torture ?- Rue
You go educate yourself on who and what Pol Pot was, and then we’ll talk about perspective- Finn
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:My god Finn, have you lost your brain somewhere? Yeah, I think we all know who Pol Pot was, and the Khmer Rouge, and knowing all that only makes Rue's point stronger because even the man who experienced Pol Pot's torture says that waterboarding is torture. And I would say THAT guy has a well-founded perspective... which is a helluva more than I can say for you!
So, I take it you don't admit the perspective of a Pol Pot torture survivor who says waterboarding is torture ?- Rue
You go educate yourself on who and what Pol Pot was, and then we’ll talk about perspective- Finn
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Let's party like it's 1929.
You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what someone who was actually there experienced. If you disagree with Bush or Finn, you clearly have no perspective. Period. End of discussion.
That man clearly has no perspective on the issue, because he doesn't know what it takes to battle islamo-facists, the way Finn has - because he's been out there, in the trenches, fighting them himself. With his keyboard.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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