Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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God, you're evil.
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Now that we've gotten that out of the way - anything at all to say about the actual topic ?
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Quote:Once again fantasy and ideology displace perspective. Pol Pot, the guy responsible for the systematic murder and (real) torture of millions, is your excuse? This is the problem. You have no clue what you’re talking about because you have NO perspective at all. And even more, you don’t want one.
Originally posted by rue:
Finn, Finn, Finn ...
"I wonder when Amnesty International will put up an add showing us what real torture is like."
I realize you know everything about torture, but you could stand to learn about it from the experts - the people who endured it at the hands of a brutal dictator.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Care to post something that makes any kind of sense ?
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Quote:And there we have it. It must be a very simplistic life you lead to ignore anything that might contribute to some degree of understanding beyond your ideology. It’s not enough to disagree with the use of waterboarding on the true merits of what waterboarding, you have to pretend it’s something its not and paint anyone who doesn’t except this one-sided view as stupid or evil. You don’t have any perspective and you don’t want any.
Originally posted by rue:
God, you're evil.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:When I was 15 I was swimming at the YMCA pool, and I used to take this big heavy rubber weight to the bottom or the pool and sit it in my lap so I could see how long I could hold my breath while remaining motionless. Once, on the high side of two minutes, I'd realized that I'd waited too long, and I had to bolt up 12 feet in an instant or take in some water. There were lifeguards, the worst that could happen would be one lungfull that they'd help me get rid of, I was really in no danger of losing my life, and as it turned out, I only got like a quarter-lungfull before I broke the surface. But I'll tell ya, that one moment of choking up water had me in a complete panic even though intellectually I knew all was well. Now the Idea of doing that over and over for hours...Finn, I mean this in the nicest way, but effue if you think that's not torture...
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s real torture. It’s real. It’s not a staged stunt. It’s real. Waterboarding might be called torture, but it’s fake.
Chrisisall
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Finn: "God, you’re dumb."
To which I say: "It must be a very simplistic life you lead to ignore anything that might contribute to some degree of understanding beyond your ideology." ... You have to pretend waterboarding is something it's not and paint anyone who doesn’t accept this one-sided view as stupid. You don’t have any perspective and you don’t want any.
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Quote:I once chocked on a biscuit. I’m pretty sure that I was inches from death and it was probably luck that the wad of saggy biscuit dislodged before I lost consciousness. That was worse then waterboarding, because I might have actually died. I think it’s torture, but it’s on the low end of the spectrum. It’s staged. It’s fake. And if you think it's not staged, then a big effue to you. So where does that get us?
Originally posted by chrisisall:
When I was 15 I was swimming at the YMCA pool, and I used to take this big heavy rubber weight to the bottom or the pool and sit it in my lap so I could see how long I could hold my breath while remaining motionless. Once, on the high side of two minutes, I'd realized that I'd waited too long, and I had to bolt up 12 feet in an instant or take in some water. There were lifeguards, the worst that could happen would be one lungfull that they'd help me get rid of, I was really in no danger of losing my life, and as it turned out, I only got like a quarter-lungfull before I broke the surface. But I'll tell ya, that one moment of choking up water had me in a complete panic even though intellectually I knew all was well. Now the Idea of doing that over and over for hours...Finn, I mean this in the nicest way, but effue if you think that's not torture...
You know, eight year olds have better conversation skills then some of you.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Finn: "God, you’re dumb."
To which I say: "You know, eight year olds have better conversation skills then some of you."
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So, I take it you don't admit the perspective of a Pol Pot torture survivor who says waterboarding is real torture ?
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Quote:You go educate yourself on who and what Pol Pot was, and then we’ll talk about perspective.
Originally posted by rue:
So, I take it you don't admit the perspective of a Pol Pot torture survivor who says waterboarding is torture ?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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