Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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It's kinda easy for the mind to slide over unpleasantries, but not so easy to ignore when you see the real deal. So here it is:
www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/05/01/newton.uk.drowning.controve
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I hope the link works for you.
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I'm fully and 100% for the waterboarding of terrorist. Now and always.
(Hey moron, close your mouth if you don't like it )
Perhaps we should show slow motion , high def images of hands being cut off, or tongues being cut out? Those would be ok then, right?
Hey, i know! Toss them into a building that's burning at 1000 degrees, and then give them the choice of melting there, or jumping out 80- 100 stories. Think Amnesty International will approve of THAT ???
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Thanks for the bump. I would have done it myself.
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Originally posted by rue:
Thanks for the bump. I would have done it myself.
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So you favor the terrorists' sawing of heads or burning of civilians in buildings more than waterboarding ?
Color me not shocked - at all.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Auraptor, you're so fucking stupid.
I'm in favor of killing terrorists.
But until you've proven someone actually is a terrorist, torturing them makes you just as evil as the terrorists you are supposedly against.
See, there's this thing, this concept, of "innocent until proven guilty"... oh.. nevermind. You're nothing but a chicken-shit traitor, giving up your country's most cherished values at the first hint of danger.
SergeantX
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Auraptor, you're so fucking stupid.
I'm in favor of killing terrorists.
But until you've proven someone actually is a terrorist, torturing them makes you just as evil as the terrorists you are supposedly against.
See, there's this thing, this concept, of "innocent until proven guilty"... oh.. nevermind. You're nothing but a chicken-shit traitor, giving up your country's most cherished values at the first hint of danger.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
Hear! Hear!
Sarge has it exactly right. See, once upon a time, there was this quaint little concept that we were ABOVE doing the kinds of things that terrorists would do, and that would put us above them. Saying that I'm against waterboarding and other forms of torture IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING I'M FOR TERRORISM!!!
What part of that can't you get through your thick fucking skull, 'Rap?
Here's another thing: This nation is a nation of laws. Laws tend to be modeled on precedent. If you allow this, you are, in essence, saying to future prosecutors that it's okay to waterboard, say, a suspect in a bank robbery. Or a suspected drunk driver. Hey, if it was legal for THIS guy, then why not this OTHER guy?
Mike
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Careful with that innocent till proven guilty stuff, Sarge...
Doesn't seem to be much welcome around here no more, given how much crap's been thrown in my direction for espousing it as of late.
-F
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I wonder when Amnesty International will put up an add showing us what real torture is like. My guess is never, because real torture is so disturbing and damaging that you could never get someone to participate in. The very idea they could make a “demonstration” video that airs on prime time sort undermine the whole idea of it being anything like the kind of activity that people usually associate with torture.
Waterboarding works because it makes the victim feel as if he is drowning, though he actually is not. One of Saddam’s favorites was throwing tied up and blind folded victims off 2 or 3 story buildings - I understand it makes the victim feel as if they are falling. Of course, on contact with the ground, they break several bones and realize they actually were falling. That’s real torture. It’s real. It’s not a staged stunt. It’s real. Waterboarding might be called torture, but it’s fake.
Now one can be against waterboarding, but one should be honest enough to put it in perspective.
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Doesn't seem to be much welcome around here no more, given how much crap's been thrown in my direction for espousing it as of late.
Hmmm... I've been rather busy. Did I miss something?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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You and sarge think we're waterboarding cub scouts or something, when I give our intel guys far more credit than to randomly w.b. just anyone they have for the heck of it. They know more than anyone where it would prove effective, and have shown exactly that in its use.
You're the fucking stupid, thick skulled ass for faces. 
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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