Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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We're not talking about Pol Pot, we're talking about torture.
But I get it - it's bad when other people do it, but good when the US does the exact same thing.
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I think we all understand your point.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think it's funny to watch little pissants moan in terror about some puffed up boogeyman less scary, and less LIKELY, than drowning in your own bathtub...
Seriously, I concur, grow a fucking set you bunch of pansies - any asshole tries to do for me better get it right the first time, cause his ass is mine like a prison bitch if he don't, and THAT, folks, is the American way.
Not hiding under the bed puling and whining like some half infant afraid of the dark.
Grow the fuck up.
-F
You're the one being all egocentric here. The fact that others might be concerned about what happens to others and not themselves doesn't even occur to you. We all know very well that for most of us the chance of being killed by a terrorist is close to zero, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and watch them kill thousands because you're so worried George Bush is going to waterboard you. I'm not concerned in the slightest that I will be the victim of a terrorist, but I do worry about innocent people all over the world that do have a higher probability of being killed. Waterboarding doesn't reach the threshold of torture for me and I agree with Finn that if you saw real torture it sure wouldn't look like the Amnesty Int. video.
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In its humane zeal to protect the world from terrorist killers the US kills by the hundreds of thousands. But it's different b/c the US uses bombs and the terrorists use ...... uh, ............
Yeah, that makes sense. 
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Quote:I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse, or you really don't understand what Pol Pot was, but the reason people have such a problem with Pol Pot is not because of the use of waterboarding. In fact, if it weren't for people like you trying to compare the US to the Khmer Rouge most people wouldn't know or care that waterboarding was used. That’s like saying one is angry about a burglar breaking in because he didn’t wipe his feet first.
Originally posted by rue:
We're not talking about Pol Pot, we're talking about torture.
But I get it - it's bad when other people do it, but good when the US does the exact same thing.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"In fact, if it weren't for people like you trying to compare the US to the Khmer Rouge most people wouldn't know or care that waterboarding was used."
That wasn't me - that was a Pol Pot Cambodian torture survivor who said waterboarding is severe torture. And who, of his own volition, and from his own experience, rendered it in his torture gallery - to memorialize what tortures were done.
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Maybe you're just having a hard time wrapping your head around that. Give it time.
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Quote:Ah ya big baby, I regularly choke near to unconsciousness from swallowin' stuff down the wrong pipe (I must have ADD), it just takes the proper ugchughhhf to dislodge something, and sometimes it takes a moment or two, that's NOTHING like having your lungs rudely introduced to H2O, not even close.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I once chocked on a biscuit. I’m pretty sure that I was inches from death and it was probably luck that the wad of saggy biscuit dislodged before I lost consciousness. That was worse then waterboarding, because I might have actually died.
Quote:Well, even on the effue scorecard
And if you think it's not staged, then a big effue to you. So where does that get us?
Quote:I smell a lot of rubber n' glue in the offing....
You know, eight year olds have better conversation skills then some of you.
Chrisisallchokedup
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Quote:Pol Pot was...only tangential to the subject we were discussing which was the torture itself.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse, or you really don't understand what Pol Pot was
By the way.
Suddenly, Moderator Chrisisall
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You know, eight year olds have better conversation skills then some of you.
... and better writing skills "then" [sic] some of YOU, Finn. Do you really want to wade into that end of the pool? Before you start insinuating that you're intelligent and others who disagree are less so, you might want to run your dribble through a spell-check or seven.
I tend to respond a bit more favorably to being called dumb by someone who can actually spell it, or at least look it up!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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...if it weren't for people like you trying to compare the US to the Khmer Rouge most people wouldn't know or care that waterboarding was used.
So can we start referring to the Bush Regime as the "Khmer Rove"? :)
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Quote:*STRANGE METAPHOR GIVEN THE SUBJECT ALERT*
Originally posted by Kwicko:
... and better writing skills "then" [sic] some of YOU, Finn. Do you really want to wade into that end of the pool?
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