Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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The US has only waterboarded 3 "people", and they were all high-ranking Al Qaida, including Sheik Kalid Mohammed...the mastermind of operations for 911. Geoerge Tenet, former CIA Director has publicly stated numerous times that waterboarding in these 3 cases definitely worked well, and we obtained valuable and usefull intelligence that ultimately saved innocents' lives. Anyone that has one ounce of sympathy for waterboarded Al Qaida is a naive, delusional fool. Shit...what'd Marcellus say in Pulp Fiction...."I'm gonna call me some pipe-hittin' ni**as to come over with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers..." I'll second that! Harsh interrogations with the goal of saving lives is vital and necessary sometimes.
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I don't know who we're waterboarding. Neither do you. That's at the heart of the issue. The question of how much we choose to trust those leading these efforts is a tricky one. It's one that political thinkers have wrestled with since the first 'leader' asked for out trust. In our country (USA) we decided to resolve the question with a set of strict rules and procedures designed to demand transparency and accountability from our leaders. These rules, written down in the Constitution, have served us well and allowed us to lead the way toward freer society and more just government.
But, the Constitution is, after all, "just a piece of paper". It's only as strong as our will to adhere to the values and principles it encodes. If, at the first sign of danger, we piss ourselves and cave in to panic ( which is, in fact, the whole point of terrorism ) and allow our fear to guide us, rather than our principles, the Constitution really doesn't matter much.
So buck up guys, and grow a pair. The terrorists will likely strike again, and I'd rather not indulge them by dismantling our nation on their cue.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
So buck up guys, and grow a pair. The terrorists will likely strike again, and I'd rather not indulge them by dismantling our nation on their cue.
I think it's you who needs to grow not only a pair, but just grow up. We're dealing potentially with dirty bombs, nukes, germ weapons, and outright poison. I am not fucking suicidal like some of you strict & rigid Constitution freaks. Shove your high platitudes up all your asses for all I care. You cannot have a country with high morality if you don't have a country anymore, or you have a shell of a country after a devastating event that kills millions. The USA has historically, under leaders of all political parties, taken extraordinary measures during times of national security threats...and since when does the US Constitution apply to foreign nationals sworn to kill all of us?
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Quote:So Jong, how'd you like you own son to go into the army & be trained how to waterboard a person? How'd you like to know your son can operate nearly as low as a real terrorist? He'd have some funny stories for the dinner table come the holidays, eh? "Yeah, they taught us that when you see blood being coughed up, you have to stop for a few hours- pass the mashed potatoes, please."
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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I think it's you who needs to grow not only a pair, but just grow up.
You KILL the bad guys if you have to, you don't swim in the same sewer of depravity that they do.
Chrisisall
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Quote:NO, WATERBOARDING DOESN'T "WORK", it only succeeds in making monsters of the participants, getting the suspect to say whatever he thinks will stop it (be it true or not), and dragging this country's morality lower and lower.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Waterboarding works because it makes the victim feel as if he is drowning, though he actually is not.
Bush is a traitor to the American Way.
EDIT: And I'm not saying that Bush is LIKE a traitor- He IS ONE...an actual traitor. He actively undermines our Constitution. He should be facing jurors, not press peeps.
Chrisisall
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Quote:And that's a laugh. Official stats, right? Like they're really gonna tell us everything.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The US has only waterboarded 3 "people"
Growing up sounds like a good idea, suddenly.
Zerotolleranceisall
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Quote:Thank you.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
These rules, written down in the Constitution, have served us well and allowed us to lead the way toward freer society and more just government.
The terrorists will likely strike again, and I'd rather not indulge them by dismantling our nation on their cue.
Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:And that's a laugh. Official stats, right? Like they're really gonna tell us everything.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The US has only waterboarded 3 "people"
Growing up sounds like a good idea, suddenly.
Zerotolleranceisall
Chris...since you don't trust anything or anyone except your own obnoxious smugness, why don't you simply go fuck yourself?...Dong ma?
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I think it's funny to watch little pissants moan in terror about some puffed up boogeyman less scary, and less LIKELY, than drowning in your own bathtub...
Seriously, I concur, grow a fucking set you bunch of pansies - any asshole tries to do for me better get it right the first time, cause his ass is mine like a prison bitch if he don't, and THAT, folks, is the American way.
Not hiding under the bed puling and whining like some half infant afraid of the dark.
Grow the fuck up.
-F
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FINN
Quote:This is singularly stupid, even from you. Do you know anything about Amnesty International? Apparently not, but that doesn't prevent you from shooting your mouth off like a fool.
I wonder when Amnesty International will put up an add showing us what real torture is like.
Well, for the truly ignorant (that's you, Finn) it's not as if AI is "against" waterboarding but "for" every other form of torture around the world. Look it up.
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