Ariel...
POSTED BY: freelancertex
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If you specify more, I'll try to explain more.
According to the script, one sentence has Jayne looking Simon in the eye while hawking gob on his knife, the next has River heading back to the kitchen to get a knife while Simon scoots farther away from Jayne.
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Originally I used the name Traveler because I take a lot of road trips. A lot of concrete has felt the tires of my vehicles.
Then I was reading a book on one of my favorite topics, the Civil War. I study war in general.
Suddenly I come across the fact that Robert E. Lee's horse throughout the war was named Traveller, with two L's. Was this subliminal? I know I must have read about this before. If you saw my collection of books on the Civil War, you would not have hard time realizing I must have read about this fact before.
On a side note Traveller out-lived Robert E. Lee. General Lee did not live long after the Civil War. The effort of campaigning for four years and the strain of overall command of the Army of Virginia took its toll on Lee's health.
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Traveler
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aha. I see. Cool :)
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Originally posted by nbz:
The patient does not know what the doctor is doing. However he probably can feel what is happening. faint, nauseous feeling pain around the heart etc etc.
I should mention that pain for this is not felt. Therem are not pain sensors around the heart, heart problem pain is felt in the arms, nexk and such.
Even knowing your heart is not beating is very difficult to isolate a sensation of it. I have watched my heart skip up to 4 beats and still had very hard time detecting any sensation relating to it.
Unless this guy had meditative feedback training he would have no clue, particularly subconscious - and he doesn't look the sort to know meditation.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
River's animosity is all directed at Jayne, nobody else in this scene. Not Wash.
No one said it was targeted at Wash, did they? I said she was triggered by what Wash said, and, after a short delay, acted out on Jayne: most like because he was wearing the Blue Sun shirt. Typical case of transference.
Also, there's nothing to indicate River went back to the kitchen with the specific purpose of getting that knife. And IF she really went back for a knife, which is quite possible, then only because Jayne was playing with HIS knives: River is an observer, and, at that point, I think she was, if at all, merely intending to mimic (innocently) a behavior she found fascinating.
In my opinion, River was just heading for the kitchen, folks started talking about "Don't ya just hate Doctors" and such, and then River just grabbed the knife, and turned on Jayne because he was, in that moment, the most immediate link to Blue Sun, what with his shirt and all.
That whole scene, IMHO, had no other purpose than to hint to the fact that River had some traumatic (medical) experience with Blue Sun/Alliance.
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Originally posted by traveler:
River seems got a lot of information on Jubal. River had so many other abilities. When she killed those three guys with her eyes closed. Her abilities seem to strengthen when she needs them and memories pop out when she sees something like a Blue Sun label on a can of beans.
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If the series had gone on, there would have been time to explore all of River's abilities, but I think psychic is just one of them. Simon said that, as gifited as he was (top 3% of his med school class) River made him look like an idiot. In addition to psychic, she was probably prescient as well, as in knowing the doctor was killing his patient in Ariel. Could she sense the increased heartrate of a patient going into cardiac arrest? That's what I thought. Reading thoughts & memories, feeling the heartrate and breathing of others (maybe even feeling the beginning spasms of Petaline's labor in HoG?), having a thorough understanding of human nature and psychology, these are just some of her talents and of course it's all just too much for her. I think that even if she had not been messed up by the Alliance people playing with her brain she probably would have been pretty mentally unstable. Who hasn't had moments of feeling insecure and insignificant when considering the big question of Life, The Universe and Everything? Amplify that with complete understanding yet the complications of adolescence (River is only 17) and OMG! Poor Bayby! I have so much sympathy for her.
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Just for the record, precognition is just a branch of ESP (extra sensorary perception), or being psychic. Psychic (ESP) is a term that covers a wide range of abilities, the ones that I can remember right now being telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, seeing auras and/or ghosts, and astral projection.
I don't think River is be a precog- Joss wouldn't do that, she has enough data coming into her as it is, and it wouldn't be his style.
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aaaaah, astral projection..
except that she is a precog..as has been stated by more than one character.
point of interest, she knew petaline was going into labor before petaline did.
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Originally posted by RiverFlan:
Just for the record, precognition is just a branch of ESP (extra sensorary perception), or being psychic. Psychic (ESP) is a term that covers a wide range of abilities, the ones that I can remember right now being telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, seeing auras and/or ghosts, and astral projection.
I don't think River is be a precog- Joss wouldn't do that, she has enough data coming into her as it is, and it wouldn't be his style.
Not sure how that gonna work. She's absorbing all the extra sensor input, but when she gets future data, she thinks, "oh, golly, that's the pre-cog stuff I'm gonna filter out, and not process because Joss doesn't understand ESP a bunch" and just doesn't allow the pre-cog input access to her brain? Not to mention, how does she know the pre-cog data is pre-cog and needs to be filtered if she doesn't allow it into her brain to be calculated as being future data, plus how exactly is she supposed to figure it is actually future data - most present day psychics have great difficulty differentiating current, past, and future input, not to mention living versus dead, they need much reflection and passage of days to understand which was future and past. Often they do not know the correct tiem reference until the then-future data presents itself in real time days or weeks later, as a current event.
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the big question of Life, The Universe and Everything?
If anyone cares, the answer is 42. The earth got destroyed before the Question to the ultimate answer could be revealed, but the answer is most definately 42.
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