Ariel...
POSTED BY: freelancertex
UPDATED: Monday, January 7, 2008 15:01
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I would agree time travel in terms of physical transportation forward or backward in time is more fantasy, as there are some technical glitches in the application of it. But mental horizons are not the same.
I do not consider myself a time traveller just because I've had clearcut deja vu, without a way to logically dispell or denigrate the experience.
Since university studies have already proven time is not a limitation of psychic events (or technical remote viewings), I also don't consider it to be relegated to time travel, either.
But I'm not wrapping my mind around how those 3 can be grouped together as time travel. Gotta think about that more.
One thing about the possibility of River being precognitive. If she sees in the near future that Jayne will betray them, then she cuts him, which then spurs him to betray them, thus she creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. kinda like 12 Monkeys.
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Jewelstaitefan:
Error error.
River knows Jayne betrayed them from the moment she wakes from corpsified and says "piece of copper for your...." when she already read his thought without providing the penny, and the entire episode (in hospital) he's on edge for betraying them and she keeps saying she doesn't want to go back to them (hands of blue) but Simon keeps telling her Jayne is helping them, which she knows is wrong.
She repeatedly mentions this betrayal of Jayne, although not clearly for others to catch on to until Simon finally listens when she says Jayne is afraid, of them, for what they (she) knows.
Yeah, I knew that part lol. Sorry for not being clear. I was trying to convey that she knew Jayne was betraying them when no one else did, that was the only quote I could think of to convey that fact. :\ Thanks though.
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So in this episode the thing I least understand is River cutting Jayne. I understand most of you think River is insane, but I don't. So here's my take on the cutting.
Jayne says Simon's food smells like crotch, he's cleaning gun parts.
River takes her crotch food over to the table, then she'd looking grumpy at Jayne.
Jayne puts away his gun stuff, brings out the knives and gobs on the whetstone, Simon complains, and Jayne hawks extra big, in intimidating fashion.
River heads back to get a knife.
Jayne, being rude to Simon, says can't exclude the doc, that would be ruuuude - making sarcastic fun of Simon's sensibilities.
River cuts Jayne.
When asked why, River says he looks better in red - she seems defiant.
Simon is River's savior. River sees and senses Simon is offended by Jayne and Jayne is being a bully to Simon, and he is intentionally being rude and a bully.
He has switched to knife. Under the guise of "live by the sword, die be the sword", Jayne is living by the knife and can die by the knife (she won't actualy kill him). Additionally, Jayne thinks he is the hot poop of knife-wielders on board, but River knows she's far beyond him (we will see in BDH). So in order to one-up Jayne (the bully) in the wielding of Knifes, River will then put him in his place and stop him from bullying her savior. The knife is her medium of message delivery. I think he is still holding a knife when she cuts him with the knife.
I'm thinking if another mind reader was present, they could have said here "Saw that one coming"
When asked why, she is not remorseful. I do think she is flippant.
Did she overreact? yes. Was it illogical? no. Think of it in terms of a schoolyard - kids exceed the limits of boundaries understood by adults, she's still emotionally something of a kid, not a lot of exposure to real world or bullies. When the oversized bully is picking on the runt, how many can recall wishing they could put the bully in his place, on his terms (being bigger if the bully is just big, being more experienced with a bat if that's what's being used to bully, etc.)
She did violated the rule of First Blood, but she's still learning.
Anybody disagree with this? any factual or canonical references to refute this? This fairly makes sense to me, but it's still kinda shaky.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
So in this episode the thing I least understand is River cutting Jayne. I understand most of you think River is insane, but I don't. So here's my take on the cutting.
Jayne says Simon's food smells like crotch, he's cleaning gun parts.
River takes her crotch food over to the table, then she'd looking grumpy at Jayne.
Jayne puts away his gun stuff, brings out the knives and gobs on the whetstone, Simon complains, and Jayne hawks extra big, in intimidating fashion.
River heads back to get a knife.
Jayne, being rude to Simon, says can't exclude the doc, that would be ruuuude - making sarcastic fun of Simon's sensibilities.
River cuts Jayne.
When asked why, River says he looks better in red - she seems defiant.
I've always felt that River cuts Jayne, simply because she's triggered directly by what Wash says:
WASH
So, two days in a hospital, huh?
(Inara nods)
That's awful. Don't you just
hate doctors?
SIMON
Hey!
WASH
I mean, present company excluded.
JAYNE
Don't be excluding people, that's
just rude.
The "Don't you just hate doctors?" comment is what I believe sets River of -- the other lines are just time-filler (it takes a second or two for River to act on her trigger). Could be Jayne's "Don't be excluding people" functions like a kinda of actuator, prompting River to, indeed, include him -- after his own suggestion, as it were -- in the flashbacks she's having about the bad doctors in her life. A trigger which is compounded by Jayne wearing that Blue Sun shirt. It's the talk about hating doctors + Jayne wearing that Blue Sun shirt (+ possibly him 'asking' to be included) that proves a combination which is too much for River.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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Maybe River is identifying with Simon, who cuts people with knives (for their own good!), or having a precognition of one of the future times when Simon will be operating on Jayne?
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Huh?
...
Now y'all got me confused. I mean, I never understood why River cut Jayne in the first place, but now I think I'm more confused :-P 
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River was already heading back to get the knife or already had it in hand before Jayne said "not to exclude doctors" or Wash said that. It was all after Wash said "it IS sitting still."
River's animosity is all directed at Jayne, nobody else in this scene. Not Wash.
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Originally posted by freelancertex:
Huh?
...
Now y'all got me confused. I mean, I never understood why River cut Jayne in the first place, but now I think I'm more confused :-P
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Jewel: about everything they all just said *points to everyone above her*
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"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."
A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.
You can't take the sky from me...
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