Ariel...

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FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:51 PM

I'm talking about the episode 'Ariel' in particular ;) I was watching the episode as I made this topic lol. twas a thought that occured on the fly.

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You can't take the sky from me...

SCHOOLBOYSWINK

Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:17 PM

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....We do know for sure that the intended origin of Reavers was changed between the show and the BDM when the story had to kind of switch from a weekly serial to an epic film format,

Really? I didn't know. you got a link on that?

No, Veteran, no link. It is actually something I read here, but I don't remember who said it. I remember thinking at the time that it was reliable, based on either a reference or my past impressions of the poster; I know that's pretty lousy support. Can anybody back me up on this one? Thanks in advance if so.

"When you can't do somethin' smart, do somethin' right!" -Jayne Cobb quotes Shepherd Book

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:40 PM

I think originally the Reavers got that way as a result of eating tainted Kosher Passover tuna.

Sorry....couldn't resist...from Flesh Gordon

NBZ

Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by freelancertex:
NBZ, I know they don't THINK in code @_@, what I'm saying is since she can read minds, and the information is there in their minds, she probably picked it out. They don't have to think it for her to retrieve it, it just has to be there.

heh, totally offtopic (I think) but this is the point where I probably disagree with the known universe. :)

IMO Someone has to be thinking something for her to pick it up. Think of it like a wave hitting her. She may not know who or where it came from. since she also thinks herself, she may even confuse it for one of her own thoughts.

But she could not sift through a persons mind to find something ni particular. unless there is some physical gesturing. Like "I don't want to talk about a pony" to get the person to think about a pony.

Apart from that Ariel *DOES* pose a lot of questions. some easily answered, some not so.

Going back to code, if she does use it, it is entirely possible this is a part of her pre-academy skillset.

VETERAN

Friday, October 26, 2007 12:58 AM

Yeah, but what constitutes thinking?

..... Ok Ok stop laughing for a sec. What I mean is perhaps she can read people's unconscious thoughts. The human brain deals with so much information all at once, absorbing all the sensations of everyday life, keeping the body balanced, keeping a constant image of your surroundings, thinking about what's for lunch.... And then there's your thoughts. Not just what's on your mind, but the stuff in the back of your mind. Maybe your making a sandwich but simultaneously you're considering the character of your companion. You're thinking about how much mustard is going on the sandwich, but your also thinking about the traitorous opportunist to your right. Only you don't notice it because your actively engaged in sandwich making.

NBZ

Friday, October 26, 2007 1:49 AM

conscious or subconscious both will have potential to be read.

However, just knowing some fact will probably not be of much use unless there is some thought about it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 26, 2007 8:57 AM

In Ariel she knows the doctor is killing the patient, even though the doc does not know. It might be his subconscious which knows, or4 it could be in his memory of what the drugs he administers can do, but he is not intentionally killing his patient. But River knows. Unless the writers have accepted the premonition aspect of mind reading/ESP/psychics, she is not seeing into the immediate future, but reading the memory or subconscious of the killing doctor.

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, October 26, 2007 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by nbz:

heh, totally offtopic (I think) but this is the point where I probably disagree with the known universe. :)

IMO Someone has to be thinking something for her to pick it up. Think of it like a wave hitting her. She may not know who or where it came from. since she also thinks herself, she may even confuse it for one of her own thoughts.

But she could not sift through a persons mind to find something in particular.

this matches my way of thinking entirely.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, October 26, 2007 5:27 PM

Jewelstaitefan: prezactly :-P thanks for the example

NBZ: I didn't say she was sifting through thoughts in people's minds, but if you think about it she can and does actively read people's minds. later on in 'Trash' when she looks after Jayne and says he's afraid, Jayne never said he was afraid. Nor did anyone but Mal (who never told any of the other crew) know about Jayne betraying the Tams on Ariel. And in the BDM I doubt the Parliamentary officials who were observing her were actively thinking about Miranda, as that incident happened 10 years prior, yet she still gleaned the memory. Yes, she's probably absorbing memories and thoughts from other people, I'm not denying that, but she's a psychic, she knows what people around her are thinking.

"I just don't like the idea of her hearin' what I'm thinkin'."

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Yeah, but what constitutes thinking?

..... Ok Ok stop laughing for a sec. What I mean is perhaps she can read people's unconscious thoughts. The human brain deals with so much information all at once, absorbing all the sensations of everyday life, keeping the body balanced, keeping a constant image of your surroundings, thinking about what's for lunch.... And then there's your thoughts. Not just what's on your mind, but the stuff in the back of your mind. Maybe your making a sandwich but simultaneously you're considering the character of your companion. You're thinking about how much mustard is going on the sandwich, but your also thinking about the traitorous opportunist to your right. Only you don't notice it because your actively engaged in sandwich making.

prezactly what I was trying to say, xie-xie :) Sometimes I can't find the right words, you did.

__________________________
Have you ever wondered why in a dream you can touch a falling sky?
Or fly to the heavens that watch over you?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.

You can't take the sky from me...

TRAVELER

Friday, October 26, 2007 11:29 PM

River seems got a lot of information on Jubal. I do not believe he was thinking about the dog he tortured, yet River knew all about it. With information like that flowing through her mind she would really have a hard time living in reality.

River had so many other abilities. When she killed those three guys with her eyes closed. She calculated the angle and distnce of each one and simply pointed the pistol at them. She had to work fast before they moved.

Her abilities seem to strengthen when she needs them and memories pop out when she sees something like a Blue Sun label on a can of beans.

Were not told, but I feel River may have helped Mal with Saffron when the stole the laser pistol. Letting him know what was going to happen after they stole it. I really thought it was out of character for Mal to let his guard down and lose his weapon to his wife. It may not even had been loaded. He just wanted to one up on her.

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