Mal and Zoe

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Originally posted by AMDOBELL:
So I have my fingers crossed for Wash, if there is ever another BDM I think Joss will find a way to bring back his character.

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If he does, I will be pissed. It would be one more time that meaningless death was used to just pull emotional strings.

IMO if anyone wants to kill of a character, they should have the nerve to leave it dead.

I like Wash, just don't want another cop out - Angel and Buffy were different as they had revolving doors around death - but Firefly is not supposed to be them.

IMO Bringing him back would cheapen the current BDM.

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agentrouka: well, I'm a Mal/Simon kinda gal myself, which would be a fast and handy explanation about why Kaylee got nowhere with Simon in the TV series.

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Originally posted by shinyseven2:
agentrouka: well, I'm a Mal/Simon kinda gal myself, which would be a fast and handy explanation about why Kaylee got nowhere with Simon in the TV series.

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Hell, even if Simon was 100% gay and Kaylee was the prettiest boy ever in the world, their issues weren't about sexual orientation. They were about personality clashes and situational... inconvenience.

While I can see Mal/Simon from Simon's POV, I just can't see it from Mal's. Too paternal, the way he treats him. Squicks me. Unless it's some kind of dark, angry and loveless sexual thing. But even then, Mal has sex issues, so...

I think about this entirely too much. *g*

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Mal really isn't much older than Simon (my estimate is seven years) and, while Mal has seen some terribly ugly things, I expect that being a trauma surgeon doesn't provide an endless parade of sweetness and light either. And while neither of them is perfect, I think that they each recognize that the other is a person of some stature, and has qualities he can benefit from himself. So it wouldn't have to head in a dark, loveless direction.

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Its been a very long time since I started this thread, and it has been wonderful to see the ways that it has developed. Like I said at the beginning, I love the way that Mal and Zoe's relationship is but I have major sympathy for Wash's feelings regarding it. I do not think that Wash is an inherently insecure guy: Jealousy can rear its head even in the most well-rounded and solid people--Zoe was very put out in Our Mrs. Reynolds by the idea that Wash might be attracted to a wife who lived to serve, something that is very, very different from her own personality.
I think that it is funny that people are horrified even by the thought that Mal and Zoe, two attractive and passionate people, might have ever looked at each other as anything but fellow combatants and, later, close friends.
Would it really undermine their relationship if they had once been together romantically? Feelings and people change, and Mal certainly changed a great deal in the years after Serenity.

Personally, I think that Mal is jealous of Wash and Zoe's relationship--he advised her against marrying--not because of romantic feelings but because he fears that her loyalty will be torn. Zoe, in contrast, does not seem to be possesive of him in the same way, perhaps because she cannot imagine anyone else taking her place.

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I think that Mal is jealous of Zoe's ability to move on and form a mutually loving relationship.

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Originally posted by shinyseven2:
Mal really isn't much older than Simon (my estimate is seven years) and, while Mal has seen some terribly ugly things, I expect that being a trauma surgeon doesn't provide an endless parade of sweetness and light either. And while neither of them is perfect, I think that they each recognize that the other is a person of some stature, and has qualities he can benefit from himself. So it wouldn't have to head in a dark, loveless direction.

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It's not so much who they are, it's how I see them relating to sex, gender and each other. I don't see a happy, loving, healthy Mal/Simon.

But that's just me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. ;)

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Originally posted by paintitblack:

Would it really undermine their relationship if they had once been together romantically? Feelings and people change, and Mal certainly changed a great deal in the years after Serenity.

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To me... yes, it would undermine their relationship. Both within the context of the show and in terms of being something refreshing and unique on tv.

If you put sex in there, even if it was in the past, you negate the idea that such an almost unfathomably strong bond can exist between a man and a woman that isn't connected to sex, romance or blood relation. Those two having no sexual and/or romantic interest in each other is a large part of the appeal to me.

And I don't think it would work with how these two approach romantic relationships. They don't act like people who have shared a greater intimacy with each other and easily let it go again to be "just friends". They bond very strongly, both, so why wouldn't they talk like former lovers instead of superior-subordinate? Zoe never challenges his superior status, but I cannot see her entering a relationship with someone who is not on an equal level. Nor Mal, the other way around.
The way they both fumble with intimacy with other people (Zoe with Wash, Mal with Inara) implies they have little concept of how to allow that sort of emotional intimacy outside a professional level.

Lastly, looking at who they are in love with at present... they're just no each other's type. *g*

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