Firefly Episode Discussions
Mal and Zoe
POSTED BY: paintitblack
UPDATED: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:14
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Friday, November 23, 2007 9:44 PM
Quote:Can't say it better than that.
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
To me... yes, it would undermine their relationship. Both within the context of the show and in terms of being something refreshing and unique on tv.
If you put sex in there, even if it was in the past, you negate the idea that such an almost unfathomably strong bond can exist between a man and a woman that isn't connected to sex, romance or blood relation. Those two having no sexual and/or romantic interest in each other is a large part of the appeal to me.
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Friday, November 23, 2007 9:57 PM
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:Can't say it better than that.
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
To me... yes, it would undermine their relationship. Both within the context of the show and in terms of being something refreshing and unique on tv.
If you put sex in there, even if it was in the past, you negate the idea that such an almost unfathomably strong bond can exist between a man and a woman that isn't connected to sex, romance or blood relation. Those two having no sexual and/or romantic interest in each other is a large part of the appeal to me.
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You flatter me.
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Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:31 AM
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AgentRouka said: It's not so much who they are, it's how I see them relating to sex, gender and each other. I don't see a happy, loving, healthy Mal/Simon.
Have to say, I think this is the point. Mal and Simon are just too alike in character in most ways, and what's different is too clashing. Slash in general has never appealed to me if it's not canon, usually because it seems like you have to look too hard to see it.
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Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by paintitblack:
Would it really undermine their relationship if they had once been together romantically? Feelings and people change, and Mal certainly changed a great deal in the years after Serenity.
To me... yes, it would undermine their relationship. Both within the context of the show and in terms of being something refreshing and unique on tv.
If you put sex in there, even if it was in the past, you negate the idea that such an almost unfathomably strong bond can exist between a man and a woman that isn't connected to sex, romance or blood relation. Those two having no sexual and/or romantic interest in each other is a large part of the appeal to me.
Fair enough, but I think that it actually makes that point more. If they were never attracted to each other, and went through the experience of war together, a strong relationship is almost a given. But, if they have already had a physical relationship but, for whatever reason, have decided not to pursue it and instead become close on an entirely different level, that says more to me about the bond between them. I have seen many male/female relationships that are very strong and never were sexual because they simply did not like each other in that way, but the ones that really impressed me are those involving people who were attracted to each other but, for the sake of maintaining the friendship, decided not to go there. But thats just me folks!
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Zoe never challenges his superior status, but I cannot see her entering a relationship with someone who is not on an equal level. Nor Mal, the other way around.
Lastly, looking at who they are in love with at present... they're just no each other's type. *g*
Well, those are excellent points, but I think that people can cycle in and out of a professional and personal way of dealing with each other. Zoe does play the "yes sir" role but she also makes more than enough comments to suggest that she is not entirely sure of Mal's brilliant plans! In my humble opinion, Zoe is the only person that Mal sees as his equal, and vice versa.
On your last, very funny point, look at Mal (in just woken up no shirt on mode) and Zoe (in those impressive pants)--is there anyone in the world who would not be attracted to those two!
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