Mal and Zoe
POSTED BY: paintitblack
UPDATED: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:14
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What about Mal/Wash? I couldn't even type that one!
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Can anyone tell me Zoe's rank? In the "The Message" she addressed Tracey as "Private", which implies she had a higher rank than him.
I've been told there is a deleted scene in "Serenity" where her name appears on a list as Corporal Zoe Alleyne. (Maybe someone with the DVD or the Official Firefly Companion can verify this, since I don't have it yet myself. I know. I'm so ashamed.)
On page 92 of the Visual Companion right after the Operative crosses to Mal's military record, he goes to Zoe's which has her rank and maiden name as mentioned above, and he says in effect that she seems to have been career army (small case Army). At least part of this scene was in the CE as extended scenes, Joss commented about how much they reworked this scene and why it was excised.
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I love the bond between Mal and Zoe, it is like bedrock. I think what was so defining for them during the War was the way in which they came to such a deep understanding of each other. A friendship born of so many things and appreciation of each other's skills and qualities that mesh and compliment one to the other in ways that fill any lack. I think that as damaged and broken as war and loss made them, sticking together makes them complete. Gives them back a compass that will be forever be true. It isn't about sex, never was, it is much deeper and more fundamental than scratching nature's urge. This is soul deep and for the most part unspoken. It is why I think Zoe cannot define her relationship with Mal to Wash. She isn't hiding anything, it is just that what binds them is so deep, so instinctive, it is beyond words. It just *is* and I think Zoe sometimes gets irritated with Wash for wanting it to be quantified, brought out into the harsh light of curious eyes, instead of just accepting it which is what she does.
I also think that because Mal and Zoe know each other so well, have watched each other's backs through more sticky situations that you could shake a stick at, it is natural for them to carry on doing it afterwards. They trust each other implicitly and I don't think either would want anyone else taking that role on for them. It is why Mal tells Wash that he will always take Zoe with him on jobs, he doesn't explain why because it isn't something he would ever want to voice and to his mind should be so obvious as to not need explaining. It just *is*. Zoe always understood that some things Mal would never put into words and she is the same. They communicate so much through a look and I think that unspoken connection irked Wash because he felt excluded by it and being the husband felt somehow cheated out of something that was never his. War Stories was such a brilliant vehicle for addressing not only his insecurities but his understanding of what made the bond between his wife and his Captain work.
As for rank, Zoe was a Corporal. Although described as 'career army' she was never in it for the ambition of rank. There was a job to do and she would do it. Mal, though far more impulsive than Zoe in the field was a natural leader, able to think quickly on his feet and inspire others to follow. Zoe quickly grasped that men would natually follow him whether or not his plan was a good one. Mal was the one making plans, being decisive and instilling confidence in others to do the impossible. If Zoe had wanted to go up the ranks she could have done and no one could have touched her but she would not have been happy, it would not have been her element. I think she watched and assessed and made the practical decision to follow Mal and once she had done so found that by watching his back and filling in any gaps left by his over abundance of confidence meant they both came through it to live and fight another day. Zoe found her element in Mal. She knows he isn't perfect and isn't shy in telling him up front and bluntly when he is being stupid (ie "Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing"). But the lattitude Mal gives her is not something he accords anyone else and she knows that.
Ali D :~)
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Mal/Zoe, Mal/River, Mal/Jayne, Mal/Simon, Mal/Kaylee, Mal/Fantasy OC, Mal/Saffron, Mal/Inara...for a guy that supposedly has intimacy issues, he sure does see a lot of play!
Mal/Simon I get, but...Mal/Jayne?
I only get Mal/Simon if it's a friendship/male bonding thing...they do have an intriguing relationship. I just don't see the Firefly fabric (I agree, great term) having slash among the crew, no matter what happened on Buffy.
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Mal/Zoe, Mal/River, Mal/Jayne, Mal/Simon, Mal/Kaylee, Mal/Fantasy OC, Mal/Saffron, Mal/Inara...for a guy that supposedly has intimacy issues, he sure does see a lot of play!
Mal/Simon I get, but...Mal/Jayne?
I only get Mal/Simon if it's a friendship/male bonding thing...they do have an intriguing relationship. I just don't see the Firefly fabric (I agree, great term) having slash among the crew, no matter what happened on Buffy.
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"My way of being polite, or however...well, it's the only way I have of showing you that I like you. Of showing respect." Simon Tam, Jaynestown
I could see River being gay, easily!
I can also see a lot of other homosexual episodes happening between characters on the show.
Mal just isn't one of the characters I see this happening with. He has issues with men and issues with authority and issues with abuse of authority. I just don't see it happening.
Now, Kaylee, River, Inara and Zoe, easily. Jayne is very gender-indiscriminate anyway, so I can see that.
Simon... as easily as with a woman, actually, which is still not easy, as Kaylee will tell you.
Wash, not at all. Book, nope.
Come to think of it, The men are much harder to imagine that way than the women, to me. I think this has to do with the powerplay between them. The women are all much more relaxed about status and sexuality.
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Ok, so I can see Kaylee and Inara liking both, maybe...I just don't see it happening on the show. Same with Simon. I just don't think Joss would have gone there, at least not fully. Hints, sure, but not anything else.
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"My way of being polite, or however...well, it's the only way I have of showing you that I like you. Of showing respect." Simon Tam, Jaynestown
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Originally posted by MerryK:
Ok, so I can see Kaylee and Inara liking both, maybe...I just don't see it happening on the show. Same with Simon. I just don't think Joss would have gone there, at least not fully. Hints, sure, but not anything else.
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"My way of being polite, or however...well, it's the only way I have of showing you that I like you. Of showing respect." Simon Tam, Jaynestown
Okay, I'll agree that the show wouldn't have explored all that would theoretically be plausible for the characters. Certainly not the guys so much, simply because of viewer reactions.
Except maybe River. *g*
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I just can't get past the huge stake through the heart thing. It's seems like it screams, this dude is dead!(or is that just when its a wooden stake)
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I think River could have some MAJOR intimacy issues, regardless of her orientation. More so than even Mal and Inara, if that is humanly possible. How could she trust anyone, after what she has gone through?
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I just can't get past the huge stake through the heart thing. It's seems like it screams, this dude is dead!(or is that just when its a wooden stake)
I had to smile at you wondering whether Wash would only be dead had the stake through the heart been wooden. Makes me keep thinking about Dobson, come on, he was shot in the head after all yet he gets to live again! So I have my fingers crossed for Wash, if there is ever another BDM I think Joss will find a way to bring back his character. And not al la Dallas with that whole 'dreamt of it in the shower' *goushi*.
Ali D :~)
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