My 10 year old in some FF related trouble
POSTED BY: JustDavid
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 21:57
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Ghoulman,
something else I don't understand. People often congratulate each other as to "having a great kid". Is that in the possessive sense or an associative sense? (BTW, I hope it's more than that) IMHO, most parents don't provide hell of a lot more than "having' them around - well, other than providing them food, shelter, clothes, and entertainment. Sure, lots of other parents provide (or have no ability to) even less than the "basics". Seems to me that many people "have" kids just for the kicks: they are cute, everyone is having one, it makes my heart warm - or sometimes it was an accident and now I've got to owe up to it and take the responsibility.
Good Grief.
Maybe there's more to it than that. But I guess if people can barely keep the cupboards full and keep themselves entertained, they can hardly really provide comfort and structure for "people to be".
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
just sayin'... Most 10 year olds, let alone girls, DON'T stand up for themselves. Gotta say, you're daughter was right to do so. And BTW you must be doing something right to have such a great girl.
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well Duh ma ma is "f your mom"
again look at the tone in which you say
ba ba is generaly dad an ma ma is mom
Ta ma Duh is f me blind says every translation i found. or it sounds like you are saying "Do my my" plus the wierd throat thing your suppoed to do. it is manderain chinese. you actually have to hear it to get it.
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I'm sorry, new to here or not I think this is a terrible example and nothing to be proud of.
A 10 year old cussing is not a good thing. A 10 year old dealing with conflict regardless of why they were by cussing them out (in Chinese or not) isn't the way someone should be taught to deal with conflict. Life is filled with conflict often unwanted and learning to deal with it in a constructive manner is what seperates those people who are going to be successful in life. Yes I think that the actions and habits of children shape them and strongly influence who they become as adults.
A parent thinking it's cool their child knows Chinese cuss words and uses them probably should be watching less TV and spending more time with their kids in a more positive environment.
If this had been me and my child I would be doing some soul searching now where I had gone astray and how I might set a better example in the future.
I think Firefly was a great story arc and wonderful entertainment but I don't think it's a good example for my children to learn life lessons from.
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Personally I think exchanging insults, and occasionally swearwords is a normal part of human life. I also think Fangoo needs to back down a bit here, let others raise their children as they see fit.
I admit, I'm a few years off from being in that age group, but as I recall most of us swore at some point or other> Kids do that. And no, I wasn't a "hanging out on the corner smoking cigarettes" kind of kid. But at that age it's natural for a kid to pick up some bad words and experiment with using them. The important thing isn't that the kid never learns to swear, it's how a parent reacts to it, how a parent teaches the child that it isn't appropriate in most circumstances to use that kind of language.
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Ur... Where did "De ma ma" get translated
into "f your mom"... I think you are mixing
literal word for word translation with
translating an equivalent phrase.
"De ma ma" by itself only means " 's mom" and you can't really use it by itself. "Ni de ma ma" literally means "Your mother" and "Ta de ma ma" means "His/Her mother" ... Now you can certainly use "Ni de ma ma" as a curse word if you use it within the right context and phrase it in a particular way - actually "Ni ma ma" or "Ni ma" would be more appropriately the style - short and terse.
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Originally posted by Tomtba2004:
well Duh ma ma is "f your mom"
again look at the tone in which you say
ba ba is generaly dad an ma ma is mom
Ta ma Duh is f me blind says every translation i found. or it sounds like you are saying "Do my my" plus the wierd throat thing your suppoed to do.
ok. maybe you can point out where you found that translation...
But here translates it as "Oh Shit" (like I said, a general "F*ck" or "S*it" utterance ).
http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/mandarin.htm
There is no way to translate "Ta ma de". It's how it is used. "Ta ma de" is used as a general expletive utterance. You can translate it to many of the equivalent English type utterance.
"F*ck!" , "S*it", "Holy Cow!", "Holy S*it".
"F*ck a Duck!", "F*ck me!" ... You can't take it as the literal meaning in either language.
Take "Holy Cow" for instance, you wouldn't necessarily translate it as "Xing Niu" - which is a perfectly good word for word translation - as
Xing = Holy, Saintly
Niu = The Dairy animal.
But the equivalent phrase in Chinese could probably be "Ta ma de"
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it is manderain chinese. you actually have to hear it to get it.
Yeah, it is Mandarin Chinese. And that doesn't make any sense for what you are translating.
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Agree with you 110% there Fangoo... Every single word of it.
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Originally posted by Fangoo:
I'm sorry, new to here or not I think this is a terrible example and nothing to be proud of.
A 10 year old cussing is not a good thing. A 10 year old dealing with conflict regardless of why they were by cussing them out (in Chinese or not) isn't the way someone should be taught to deal with conflict. Life is filled with conflict often unwanted and learning to deal with it in a constructive manner is what seperates those people who are going to be successful in life. Yes I think that the actions and habits of children shape them and strongly influence who they become as adults.
A parent thinking it's cool their child knows Chinese cuss words and uses them probably should be watching less TV and spending more time with their kids in a more positive environment.
If this had been me and my child I would be doing some soul searching now where I had gone astray and how I might set a better example in the future.
I think Firefly was a great story arc and wonderful entertainment but I don't think it's a good example for my children to learn life lessons from.
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Sorry, a lot of things regular every day people do in regular every day life do is not appropriate for kids. I can think of about a hundred things without spending too much effort.
I too do swear when it is appropriate to be expressive in the right environment. I think society nowadays a bit too free with swear words - we really can stand to learn a bit more words to express our feelings and emotions.
I agree with you that kids/people will learn all of these things - when the time is appropriate and when they have the proper basis to deal with it. Maybe just not rightaway...
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Originally posted by thefop:
Personally I think exchanging insults, and occasionally swearwords is a normal part of human life. I also think Fangoo needs to back down a bit here, let others raise their children as they see fit.
I admit, I'm a few years off from being in that age group, but as I recall most of us swore at some point or other> Kids do that. And no, I wasn't a "hanging out on the corner smoking cigarettes" kind of kid. But at that age it's natural for a kid to pick up some bad words and experiment with using them. The important thing isn't that the kid never learns to swear, it's how a parent reacts to it, how a parent teaches the child that it isn't appropriate in most circumstances to use that kind of language.
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Agree with you 110% there Fangoo... Every single word of it.Quote:
Originally posted by Fangoo:
I'm sorry, new to here or not I think this is a terrible example and nothing to be proud of.
A 10 year old cussing is not a good thing. A 10 year old dealing with conflict regardless of why they were by cussing them out (in Chinese or not) isn't the way someone should be taught to deal with conflict. Life is filled with conflict often unwanted and learning to deal with it in a constructive manner is what seperates those people who are going to be successful in life. Yes I think that the actions and habits of children shape them and strongly influence who they become as adults.
A parent thinking it's cool their child knows Chinese cuss words and uses them probably should be watching less TV and spending more time with their kids in a more positive environment.
If this had been me and my child I would be doing some soul searching now where I had gone astray and how I might set a better example in the future.
I think Firefly was a great story arc and wonderful entertainment but I don't think it's a good example for my children to learn life lessons from.
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I think this very up-tight stand on swear words is someting uniquely American, and something I never quite understood (maybe being a European?). Movies can get a higher rating for the word "fuck" than for having people's heads chopped off! I'm not in any doubt as to what I'd think would be more disturbing for my kid to watch.
While some things that are appropriate for adults aren't so for children, they're inappropriate for good reasons: alcohol and cigarettes (can cause irrepairable damage at a crucial stage in a human's growth), sex (for obvious reasons) etc. Why would swearing fall in this category? It's not really harmful in any way I can see, and can be a very effective form of communication. Describe to yourself in general terms a situation where cursing would be appropriate - why couldn't a child find herself in such a situation? Hoping not to offend (too much
), could it be that you wish your children to be picture perfect little angels rather than growing persons, living their own - sometimes quite tough - lives? Of course, too much swearing (for adults and children alike) will impair a person's ability to express herself and is frowned upon by society in general. Children need to learn the social rules for swearing just like they need to learn a million other rules for interaction. If your child seems to have a problem in this respect, action needs to be taken. But it seems to me, from what we've heard, that Leita is quite on top of that.
Lastly, talking about things inappropriate, I think passing harsh judgements on people's parental skills - "(you) probably should be watching less TV and spending more time with (your) kids in a more positive environment." - on the basis of a disagreement about swearing is not the best example to set. Feel free to express your opinions, and do your best to respect others' right to do the same.
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Originally posted by sasja:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Agree with you 110% there Fangoo... Every single word of it.Quote:
Originally posted by Fangoo:
I'm sorry, new to here or not I think this is a terrible example and nothing to be proud of.
A 10 year old cussing is not a good thing. A 10 year old dealing with conflict regardless of why they were by cussing them out (in Chinese or not) isn't the way someone should be taught to deal with conflict. Life is filled with conflict often unwanted and learning to deal with it in a constructive manner is what seperates those people who are going to be successful in life. Yes I think that the actions and habits of children shape them and strongly influence who they become as adults.
A parent thinking it's cool their child knows Chinese cuss words and uses them probably should be watching less TV and spending more time with their kids in a more positive environment.
If this had been me and my child I would be doing some soul searching now where I had gone astray and how I might set a better example in the future.
I think Firefly was a great story arc and wonderful entertainment but I don't think it's a good example for my children to learn life lessons from.
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I think this very up-tight stand on swear words is someting uniquely American, and something I never quite understood (maybe being a European?). Movies can get a higher rating for the word "fuck" than for having people's heads chopped off! I'm not in any doubt as to what I'd think would be more disturbing for my kid to watch.
You get no arguments from me here. I think kids should get exposure to neither until they are ready for it. Ready to absorb it, ready to discuss it, ready to understand it, and ready to relate to it.
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Originally posted by sasja:
While some things that are appropriate for adults aren't so for children, they're inappropriate for good reasons: alcohol and cigarettes (can cause damage at a crucial stage in a human's growth), sex (for obvious reasons) etc. Why would swearing fall in this category? It's not really harmful in any way I can see, and can be a very effective form of communication. Describe to yourself in general terms a situation where cursing would be appropriate - why couldn't a child find herself in such a situation? Hoping not to offend (too much
No, people get to spend about 2/3 of their lives being adults. Kids should be kids (not necessarily perfect angels) - kids should have the time to grow up at their own pace and not have the world thrust upon them. Kids have it tough enough trying to understand everything else going on around them. Sooner or later, we all get to learn what the real world is about. If they get another couple of years of not having to think about or worry about the real world out there and get to play with their lego blocks a couple more years - fine. That's another couple of years that we can spend building a better foundation for a couple of better people - maybe a bit more ready for the real world.
Will you drag your pre-toddlers by the arms and get them to run before they are even ready to crawl? After all, regular people walk everyday - and there isn't harm in walking. How about eating solid food when their digestive system isn't ready for it? Everybody eats solid food, so what's the harm in that? They are developmentally ready for it. Some things kids might not be physically ready for, other things they aren't mentally ready for, yet other things they aren't psychologically ready for. Learning the right basis and the right options can make a world of a
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FWIW(and hoping this post isn't redundant), "Ta ma de" is a fragment of an obscene phrase, much like saying "What the-" or "Son of a-". The uttered portion itself translates(literally) as "his/her mother's-"(in the possessive sense). I never got a straight answer from any of my Chinese friends as to what the unspoken portion was, but I think we can make a pretty good guess...mine: something decidedly anatomical. I base this on the fact that there's no shortage of similarly crude and personal anatomical references in Putonghua(mainland vernacular) that are considered unacceptable outside of the "nanzi han"(read: male-chauvinist-pig drinking buddies). But I did hear "Ta ma de" uttered in mixed company under circs of extreme frustration.
But then, my Chinese was never better than your average 4-year-old's, and now it's nearly all gone. Except for the dirty words, of course...
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