Aurap..siggy ..it some CFR...
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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Quote:I overlook nothing. However, didn't we drop a couple of nukes on civilian cities, killing about 200,000? Not to stop the Japanese, but to show the Russians that we were crazy sons of bitches who could, and would, drop them in their tracks if they tried to advance across the Pacific? We backed "anticommunist" Gnl Suharto who killed about a million of his people. Our little Vietnames adventure killed 2.5-5 million Vietnamese civilians. In Guatemala, we armed and trained the government that killed 200,000+ Mayans, creating "the silent Holocaust"
Over the past six decades or so the United States has prolly been responsible for killing more innocent civilians than any other entity, all in the name of "anticommunism".- Signy
That's quite possibly the biggest misstatement/lie/ this site has ever been witness to. You're clearly overlooking Stalin's Gulags, Pol Pot's Khmere Rouge, N.Korea, China, Cuba.... my god, it's not even fair to go on.
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Their 2-year series of atrocities is sometimes called 'The Silent Holocaust'.... demonstrating an aggressive racist component of extreme cruelty that led to extermination en masse of defenceless Mayan communities, including children, women and the elderly, through methods whose cruelty has outraged the moral conscience of the civilised world.' Working methodically across the Mayan region... Children were often beaten against walls, or thrown alive into pits where the bodies of adults were later thrown; they were also tortured and raped. Victims of all ages often had their limbs amputated, or were impaled and left to die slowly. Others were doused in petrol and set alight, or disembowelled while still alive. Yet others were shot repeatedly, or tortured and shut up alone to die in pain. The wombs of pregnant women were cut open. Women were routinely raped while being tortured. Women - now widows - who lived could scarcely survive the trauma: 'the presence of sexual violence in the social memory of the communities has become a source of collective shame'. Covert operations were also carried out by military units called Commandos, backed up by the army and military intelligence. They carried out planned executions and forced 'disappearances'. Death squads (some of which in time came under the army's umbrella), largely made up of criminals, murdered suspected 'subversives' or their allies; under dramatic names, such as 'The White Hand' or 'Eye for an Eye', they terrorised the country and contributed to the deliberate strategy of psychological warfare and intimidation.
Throughout the period of the genocide, the USA continued to provide military support to the Guatemalan government, mainly in the form of arms and equipment. The infamous guerrilla training school, the School of the Americas in Georgia USA, continued to train Guatemalan officers notorious for human rights abuses; the CIA worked with Guatemalan intelligence officers, some of whom were on the CIA payroll despite known human rights violations.
www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_guatemala1.html
We supported, trained and armed death squads in Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, the Philippines, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, and Uruguay. Adding up the deaths attributed to our Central and South American (aside from Guatemala) intervention brings me to about a half-million. Also note that these countries mostly do not YET have stable or prosperous democracies. www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads.htm#Central
That doesn't include the people that we've so far killed in Iraq.
Okay, we're not up there with the 25 million or so who died in Mao's Great Leap Forward or the 10 million who died under Stalin but we're up in the 5-10 million range.
I don't blame the USA entirely; it's really the corporations who wanted all of this to happen.
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You stated in the past 60 yrs, fighting communism.
Japan wasn't communist, wasn't in the past 60 yrs, but WAS during a war which we didn't start, but DID end. Sorry, those #'s don't count.
You don't think that Russia ( the Soviet Union ) did the exact same thing, only FOR communism? Funny how you only want to talk about 1/2 of the coin, but not the flip side.
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It's about cleaning up OUR mess first, Auraptor. And right now we've got a lot of fence-mending to do.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's about cleaning up OUR mess first, Auraptor. And right now we've got a lot of fence-mending to do.
I fully agree. We must finish building the fence along the border and better control who we let into this country.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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So, Rap, is your contention that we need to fight them 'cause they're evil and we're not ?
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Originally posted by rue:
So, Rap, is your contention that we need to fight them 'cause they're evil and we're not ?
You're kidding, right ?
Algiers -
Amsterdamn -
Bali -
Beslan -
Italy (honor killing) -
NYC -
Pakistan -
Spain -
All the above were done in the name of Allah.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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AU...you're starting to make me think of PirateNews' tactics... those pictures get an emotional response, but pictures of CIA trained Contras filling mass graves with women and children would do the same.
Stick to conversing to make your point.
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Rap - you didn't answer my question.
I figure the Jihadists have killed maybe 7000, including and since 9/11. Let's say 4000 for 9/11, 500 in Bali, 500 in Beslan, and a couple of thousand for places and people we don't hear about - Indonesians, Afghanis, etc. Now, I know for a fact that as many civilians have been killed by US air-strikes in Afghanistan as by Islamists and warlords together. And the figure for the US attacking Iraq (which didn't actually do anything to the US) - let's take that as a VERY conservative 70,000.
Blowing up the Buddha statues is probably cancelled out by the looting of Iraq museums under the eye of the US AND by US troops. Of course the US is also responsible for the complete destruction of Iraq's infrastructure.
Let's put the US toll at a VERY conservative 70,000 and give the physical destruction category to the US. Who is more evil ?
You tell me.
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I think arguing "who is more evil, the US or Terrorists" is a bit pointless.
In fact it's clear AU can't think clearly on this subject*, I could post pictures of people covered in blood from attacks perpetrated by Christians, Hindus, fluffy rabbits with big sharp pointy teeth, and say "All this done in the name of GOD - GANESHA - CARROTS!" Like the act is representative of the entire religion**.
It's interesting that conspiracy theory thinking isn't limited to the standard conspiracy theories. If you look at his argument (if indeed one is feeling generous enough to call it that) and his use of language, you'll notice it is eerily similar to a post by PN, perhaps with a lot less research. He is also equally vitriolic and insulting if his views are challenged (and evidently doesn't realise how he is acting, mores the pity). It's cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias raised to the level of an art form in an extreme.
*if AU replies to this post he'll probably say "So you're saying I can't think clearly because I don't think the US is more evil than the terrorists", it's the obvious strawman.
**This will probably become "so you deny -some atrocity attributed to Muslims- ever happened!"
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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