Aurap..siggy ..it some CFR...
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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citizen wrote:
Thursday, November 01, 2007 00:25
You know Au, initially I took what you said head on, but I realised, there really is no point while you're being this unreasonable. You've stopped merely Strawmaning my argument, and moved on to outright lying.
I've not been unreasonable in the least. Nor have I lied one iota. You just have nothing to fall back on.
Quote:Sorry, fear isn't the issue what so ever. Real life people are being brain washed into believing it's perfectly fine to blow up statues of Buddha which were 100's of yrs old, that it's fine to slaughter filmmakers in cold blood because some religion is somehow offended, or that a fatwah issued calling for the assasination of an author for a book he's written is perfectly in line w/ how religion is suppose to be run. Very real people are committing VERY REAL crimes here, and you're trying to dismiss my reaction to these crimes as mere 'fear mongering'. Absurd on your part.
Ron Paul isn't the issue, Muslims aren't really the issue, fear is the issue.
And never, not once, have I suggested in the slightest that you or anyone stop living your life, stop going about your daily routine, or go out of your way to harm, injure ,insult or deprive anyone of their rights, but simply to look around the world and see what's happening.
Knowledge is power.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Well, it kinda is....
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, fear isn't the issue what so ever.
Remember the movie Jaws? Peeps by the thousands avoided swimming at the beach because of A MOVIE.
A MOVIE.
Reel peeps doing bad stuff in the name of Islam are out there.
But know what?
You have a better chance of getting bit by a shark than blown up by their ICBM's.
Yeah, it's fear all right.
Duh duh duh duh Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Over the past six decades or so the United States has prolly been responsible for killing more innocent civilians than any other entity, all in the name of "anticommunism".
That's quite possibly the biggest misstatement/lie/ this site has ever been witness to. You're clearly overlooking Stalin's Gulags, Pol Pot's Khmere Rouge, N.Korea, China, Cuba.... my god, it's not even fair to go on.
Quote:Poland would certainly disagree , as would other countries in the former Eastern block.
We've cozied up to and brought to power all kinds of nasty tyrants INCLUDING the Shah of Iran, the Taliban, and Saddam Hussein, knowing full well what they were doing to "their people". Aside from the observation that fear makes people do stupid things like support the Taliban, what would you say about our "religion" of anticommunism which has NOT lead to democracy in most of the affected countries?
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BTW_ I'll repeat what I've said many times before: 9-11 didn't frighten me. Why? Because I was expecting it. I acknowledge that there are people "out there" who hate us with the white-hot hatred that only irrationality and religion can create. But you do not fight the irrational by being yourselves irrational. You have to appeal to the remaining people who have yet to be swayed, and you DON'T do that by rampaging through their world, creating chaos and death and poverty everywhere you go, especially if they had nothing to do with the offense that set you off. We've got enough enemies. Why create more?
Actually, we don't have that many enemies. Most folks love us, or are indifferent. It's the very few radicals which think we're suppose to cater to their every whim who don't have a damn clue that have the problem. I wont' continue to repeat myself to those who refuse to listen.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Well, it kinda is....
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, fear isn't the issue what so ever.
Remember the movie Jaws? Peeps by the thousands avoided swimming at the beach because of A MOVIE.
A MOVIE.
Reel peeps doing bad stuff in the name of Islam are out there.
But know what?
You have a better chance of getting bit by a shark than blown up by their ICBM's.
Yeah, it's fear all right.
Duh duh duh duh Chrisisall
Only the shark in Jaws was FAKE. The Islamo-nutcases are very real.
We're gonna need a bigger boat- Raptor
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:It also sent people off killing Sharks in their thousands, they have more to fear from us, go figure.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Remember the movie Jaws? Peeps by the thousands avoided swimming at the beach because of A MOVIE.
A MOVIE.
Quote:You've got more chance of turning into a tap dancing mongoose right now than being hit by one of their ICBM's.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Reel peeps doing bad stuff in the name of Islam are out there.
But know what?
You have a better chance of getting bit by a shark than blown up by their ICBM's.
I'm done with you Au. You've not been reasonable in the least. Anyone with half a brain can tell how your characterisation of my Argument is nothing like what I said. I say Black == Black, you come back with "So you think Black is white huh". It's clear you live in your own little world, please stay there.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:If you mean that's what's happening on this site, yes.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Do as I say not as I do?
If you mean that's what I'm doing, no. I know I've been snippy at times, but I have always tried to be humorous about it, although that may not have been clear. I have never called anyone a name, nor become hostile in response to baiting. In fact, my above post addresses Rap as a *person*, not a fucktard or an idiot, because I believe he is neither. I do seriously wonder if he's unhappy, because that's the only way I can account for his attitude. I know that when I'm unhappy all I can perceive in other people are threats, and I become overly defensive and go on the attack. I thought maybe he's doing the same.
Look, I'm very much trying to understand him, and you. I want to find common ground between us, and what we really want in the world. I'd like to get to know the good man underneath Rap's rants. He may have turned to the Dark Side of anger and hate (kinda like Rue), but as I said, I think he's done it for the most honorable of reasons. I think he wants to do good, wants to make the world better.
Other things:
- I never called anyone a psychopath.
- "...shut the fuck up. Stick a sock in your bloviating blow hole." Yes, I think that's sullying. I think that's an ugliness I see no where else on this site, and I'm curious as to how this language became acceptable in RWED and no where else. I honestly want to know if this is a proper way to talk to people in real life, and if not, why is okay here?
- I did read Frem's post, and apart from the "fucktard" bit, I think he did well at trying to remove his own emotion from the equation, and to not escalate the argument. Which was why Rap's response shocked me. It was just so unnecessary.
Rue - I feel your pain. This is aggrevating. But keeping calm in the face of endless aggrevation is the point. That's the beginning, middle and end of the challenge. The whole thing. If you can't do that, you've lost yourself.
You're not alone. I think the majority of the world has lost themselves in this way. *sigh*
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Maybe I'm wrong to single you out Rap. I just read your post and started wondering if you treat people in real life the way you treat people here. Made me wonder what is the root of this hostility. Are you at all happy? Does this anger serve you well? Does it help you get your way? Make friends? Does it solve any problems? Really?
Yeah, I'd say you're wrong to single me out. Definatly. The root of the hostility ? I don't instigate such diatribes, but I do reply to them in equal and in sometimes greater ferver. As for elsewhere, you're getting mighty personal over just a political message board on a Firefly fan site. Others know I'm not like this all the time, as my post outside RWED will show. I'll even go so far as to say Chrisisall will vouch that I'm far more congenial elsewhere.
Let me just say I identify with Mal, and leave it at that.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Hey look - common ground! So do I!
Let me just say I identify with Mal...
OK, my venting is done. I'll leave you all alone now. Sorry for the hijack.
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Mal4prez, that does deserve a response.
First off, I'll be honest and state for the record that I've said as much or worse in the other direction - although I do tend to stay on the topic at hand if at all possible, verbal virulence notwithstanding.
When someone actually participates in a genuine discussion, instead of spouting voluminous amounts of religious, racial or partisan hatred, for my part I'll actually discuss it, even if we end up disagreeing... it's when someone wants to bang their hate drum and stick their fingers in their ears and scream to drown out all rational debate cause they don't wanna hear it, that the verbal boot party comes out on my end.
Cause some folk here don't want debate, they wanna run off anyone and everyone who disagrees with em, claim some kind of "victory" about it, and then have a mutual buttkissing party as the board dies from lack of content - I've seen it many other times and places, believe it, and so refuse to be run off or leave.
It's that "just one voice" principle - there's likely folk who share the viewpoints and opinions I express, but very few people dare post here anymore because of the outright hostility that has become all too commonplace, and the sockpuppetry that has gone on at times causes any new poster to be viewed with an unfortunate level of suspicion, and it is for the folk who do not dare post that I stand and deliver, even if I am alone in doing so.
Part of that is when folk try to pull a mask of reason and neutrality over an agenda of hate, fear and discord, I also feel a certain obligation to start poking holes in it, so the truth of the matter comes shining through... I do not hide my biases or agenda, in fact I go out of my way to make it explicitly clear if I feel it isn't getting across.
And I do like actual discussion, but there's little of it here anymore when every thread seems to fall to some tit-for-tat partisan snark that contributes nothing whatsoever to the discussion at hand and totals the signal to noise ratio....
Still, there are people who discuss, and reason, and are capable of examining a topic or situation from other angles than their own - AnthonyT and I went round and round pretty good on picking apart the UC Tasering incident, and while we may not have agreed, it was a good discussion and a learning experience, imop.
I wouldn't want anyone to leave, offensive that some may be - cause I wanna get inside their head and understand how and why they believe and act as they do, even if I find that understanding repellant, I still wanna know - cause that is the first real step to ever getting along with them... not that I would ever be very good at it, but one might consider it at some point a defensive measure.
Cause we live in a world fulla terrible strange folk, makin our lives a little more interesting than we planned, yes ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:My point was that if a phony shark could cause so much fear, that a few really dangerous peeps could (and have) even more so. Alarmists on the left would have you believe Bush caused 911 to happen so he could consolidate power. Ones on the right would have you believe terrorists are about to destroy our nation tomorrow- it works both ways.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Only the shark in Jaws was FAKE. The Islamo-nutcases are very real.
Quote:[vouch]Outside of here, I've found AU to be nothing but an agreeable FF and Buffy fan, and I enjoy our exchanges.[/vouch]
I'll even go so far as to say Chrisisall will vouch that I'm far more congenial elsewhere.
Testimonial-like Chrisisall
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