My 10 year old in some FF related trouble
POSTED BY: JustDavid
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 21:57
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Very cool 
Cussing in chinese is great - I'm sure those kids giving her a hard time were pretty surprised.
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Quote:She's aware of the english translation, but I'm pretty sure she thinks of it as "extremely bad words" rather than the literal implication.
Originally posted by Haken:
I dunno. Even if no one else understands it, it's a "really bad" phrase for a 10 year old to say. Does she fully understands what it means?
Quote:I fully support a parent's right to choose the methods they think are best for their child. In this case, I'm very satisfied with how I handled it.
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
If I catch my kid even thinking anything like that, we are going to go thru the 12 pack of Irish Spring before we are done.
Just for a little background, Leita is very intelligent (think Simon) and very emotional and caring about the people around her (think Kaylee). She never uses swear words, and is very big on following the rules. After this happened instead of thinking "will I get punished," her reaction was "what will dad's emotions be?" I would be completely amazed if something like this happened a second time.
Now, when I was first told what happened, if I had laughed and blurted out what I was thinking ("That's totally cool! What'd she say? Tell me all about it! Oh, I've got to tell my friends about this!") then I could see where I might be sending the wrong message.
"Light it."
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I wanted to respond to all the kind words too.
Jentle & Suenos - thanks for noting how hard it can be sometimes to balance intense Firefly fandom with good parenting.
Browncoat1 - thanks, and I think focusing on the "clean" chinese is probably best.
Lindley - thanks, I completely agree.
Sigmanunki - glad I could help (Teela once did the same for me).
Sasja - I bet so, too. Good thing they didn't get a translation or I probably get some unhappy parent phone calls.
"Light it."
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I feel compelled to hope that the teacher had a talk with the parents of the little bullies as well!
Seems to me that swearing in an imperfectly understood foreign language is hardly an offense at all, while pushing around younger children is very serious...
JMPO
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Not exactly necessarily, only in specific context.
Ta Ma De is really a lot more everyday generic utterance. When you direct it at someone, then it's something different.
You might be thinking of...
Gan Ni Ma De Chou Bi....
F* your mama's stinkin' ... well whatever...
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Originally posted by Haken:Quote:
Originally posted by Tomtba2004:
but what she really said was.. " F*** me blind"
Actually, doesn't it translate more closely to "F*** your mother."
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Originally posted by embers:
I feel compelled to hope that the teacher had a talk with the parents of the little bullies as well!
Seems to me that swearing in an imperfectly understood foreign language is hardly an offense at all, while pushing around younger children is very serious...
JMPO
good point!
btw--i really like your daughter's name!
~lissa, spwhore
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Originally posted by JustDavid:Quote:She's aware of the english translation, but I'm pretty sure she thinks of it as "extremely bad words" rather than the literal implication.
Originally posted by Haken:
I dunno. Even if no one else understands it, it's a "really bad" phrase for a 10 year old to say. Does she fully understands what it means?Quote:I fully support a parent's right to choose the methods they think are best for their child. In this case, I'm very satisfied with how I handled it.
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
If I catch my kid even thinking anything like that, we are going to go thru the 12 pack of Irish Spring before we are done.
I fully agree with you. As for others who do nothing, exploits them, or gets carried away indulging them, I disagree.
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Originally posted by JustDavid:
Just for a little background, Leita is very intelligent (think Simon) and very emotional and caring about the people around her (think Kaylee). She never uses swear words, and is very big on following the rules. After this happened instead of thinking "will I get punished," her reaction was "what will dad's emotions be?" I would be completely amazed if something like this happened a second time.
Well... as my kids' Kteacher would put it so diplomatically (When we were applying our kids for the Magnet program) "A lot of parents think their kids are super bright"... Most kids *are* "bright" , "intelligent", "smart", they need the guidance, structure, and roles that parents can provide. Sounds like you are doing it. What I usually do is build some lessons and roleplay - have some fun and build confidence. Leita did what she did b/c she didn't have an existing library of responses for that situation. In addition to academics and other things, one way of building up social skills and life skills is to practice role-playing situations. Having them around other kids alot is good but not good enough - they end up learning and picking up strange behaviours from other kids who are just as clueless. (People are crying out now: boo, hiss. "let them experiement and learn on their own"). I say, role-play with them on different situations and what the responses might be - send them off with some recipes to start off with and dabble around.
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Originally posted by JustDavid:
Now, when I was first told what happened, if I had laughed and blurted out what I was thinking ("That's totally cool! What'd she say? Tell me all about it! Oh, I've got to tell my friends about this!") then I could see where I might be sending the wrong message.
"Light it."
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Didn't see JustDavid describe actual physical pushing. IAC, most schools nowadays have an overly excessive "one strike" rule on kids getting physical on each other - not just hitting. Our school has a "no touch" policy - keep your hands to yourself or you are out. Bit excessive.
IAC, if Leita had blurted out "Oh yeah, Yo Mama".
It would have been ok? I believe she understands that's what the phrase to mean (It's not what it means, but that's how she used it)...
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Originally posted by embers:
I feel compelled to hope that the teacher had a talk with the parents of the little bullies as well!
Seems to me that swearing in an imperfectly understood foreign language is hardly an offense at all, while pushing around younger children is very serious...
JMPO
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just sayin'... Most 10 year olds, let alone girls, DON'T stand up for themselves. Gotta say, you're daughter was right to do so. And BTW you must be doing something right to have such a great girl.
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