I feel sad for the Firefly fans here that can't/won't get into Buffy...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, September 27, 2007 00:24
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Just thought I'd throw in a few thoughts...
I watched Firefly for the first time last year (after watching Serenity). And recently, a fellow browncoat gave me Season 1 of Buffy to watch. She said, "It's silly and campy, but just watch it." Having known my strange dislike of Sarah Michelle Gellar, she thought I deserved to give it a chance. So, with her warnings, I sat down, turned the DVD player on...
and didn't turn it off till I had finished the whole thing. She immediately gave me the next season, which I got through in a short amount of time as well. I've now just finished Season 5 and can't wait until I get Season 6. I really really disliked Sarah Michelle Gellar, but have been really impressed with her most of the time. She's turned around in my eyes. (especially after Season 5!! *cries*)
I gave it a chance and ended up liking it, even with my SMG creepy-crawlies. I recommend other browncoats do so.
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I actually thought SMG just got better as she went along.
I saw the movie first, and always LIKED that actress, so accepting SMG was a toughie, but happen it did.
OMWFChrisisall
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It wasn't meant to be taken seriously by the director, who "raped" Joss's original vision for the movie
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Whoa, harsh.
that's what happened though, it's documented fact...
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"I'm an artist, with an e and a beret."
Yup.
Here's some facts
about it...and pretty much why I feel so strongly
against the director of the movie.
From The Genius Behind Buffy Joss's biography by Candace Havens:
Joss:"...I had never studied writing, or thought of myself as a writer exactly. I always assumed I would write whatever I made, but I never really gave it much thought. Then I sat down and really tried to write a script and found the great happiness of my life."
Writing turned out to be his true passion. His first job was Roseanne. Near the end of that year, he married Kai (who inspired a lot of Buffy the show and character) and he began working on the script for the movie. He eve worked on it during his honeymoon. When the script was finished, he pitched it to studios. He received favorable comments but no one was willing to take a risk on an unusual script by an unknown screenwriter. Most of the executives who rejected the script thought it was entertaining but didn't think there would be an audience.
He became a script doctor for The Getaway and The Quick and the Dead, and began getting larger and more lucrative script assignments, and ultimately became one of the most important script doctors in Hollywood. But early in his script-doctor career, came his big break---BUFFY was picked up.
Joss had a powerful vision for BUFFY.
"The idea for the film came from seeing too many blondes walking into dark alleys and being killed. I wanted, just once, for her to fight back when the monster attacked, and kick his ass."
Joss's vision included the integration of elements rarely seen together--horror, action, comedy and heart-wrenching emotion. Joss optioned the script to Sandollar Producions (the founders? Dolly Parton and her manager), who offered the script to Kaz and Fran Kuzui. THey agreed, provided Fran could direct.
Fran: "The instant I saw the title, I knew this was a film I had to make. Five pages into the script and I was hooked. The more I read, the more I was attracted to the world that Joss created. Here's a girl, a high school cheerleader, who's suddenly being told she's something else."
The Kuzui's were able to sell the concept to 20th Century Fox, who funded $9 million picture in exchange for worldwide rights. BUFFY would become a reality and would be distributed by a major studio. Joss was thrilled. But his excitement soon turned to vexation and then horror as the production proceeded. What Joss discovered was how painful it is to have other people meddling with, and, from his perspective, destroying, his creations.
In fairness to Joss, it's pretty clear that Fran Kuzui had an unusual interpretation of Joss's script. As she tells it, BUFFY "isn't a vampire movie, but a pop culture comedy about what people think about vampires." Emphasizing comedy at the expense of horror or genuine emotion, Kuzui created a very mediocre film. But observent critics noted the first-rate script that underlay the third-rate film. James Brundage of filmcritic.com noted that "the performances, admittedly, are lacking. The direction is downright bad...but all this is made up for in spades with one ofthe most finely crafted formula scripts courtesy of Joss Whedon." The Fort Worth Star Telegram stated that Whedon's "script [was] too witty for the director Kuzui's dreary
handling." Time magazine declared that Kuzui's "frenzied mistrust of her material is almost total."
Like a slowly developing horror movie, Joss observed
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That's narrow thinking.
Ummm...it's "narrow" thinking to not understand why anyone wouldn't like either of those shows?
But it's open-minded to not understand anyone that does like them, as you feel?
Whatever.
Now, now, hang on a second. I don't remember Mistressahara in particular, or any of the non-Buffy-fans who've posted here in general, stating that we "don't understand anybody that does like" Buffy or Angel. I think those that aren't so crazy about the show/s have been reasonably respectful in stating their cases for why they, personally, did not like the shows, but not bashing them or acting as though nobody should like them, or that they were inherently "BAD," or anything like that. I think it's been a pretty friendly and rational debate so far, and I'm enjoying it. Personally, I apologize to the Buffy fans if anything I said could have been misconstrued as bashing the show or implying that their opinion of liking it was in any way "wrong."
"When you can't do somethin' smart, do somethin' right!" -Jayne Cobb quotes Shepherd Book
Actually, she has, and that's fine. That's her opinion.
I am NOT offended by someone not liking Buffy, that's her interpretation, and it's obviously yours, and you're both wrong.
What I said was that I don't understand not liking BUffy or Angel, which I still don't and that's not going to change. Doesn't mean I take it as an insult.
But to call my not understanding that perspective "narrow thinking", jsut because it's the opposite of hers?
I'm not the one interested in fighting here. I didn't start anything. She was apparently misinformed about the facts surrounding the making of the movie and it led her to misinterpret what I said and why I said it.
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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel
"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya
"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I actually thought SMG just got better as she went along.
I saw the movie first, and always LIKED that actress, so accepting SMG was a toughie, but happen it did.
OMWFChrisisall
Shed my first tears over this show for something other than laughter during the "I'm 16 years old, I don't want to die" speech ("Prophecy Girl", Season 1's finale).
Truly heartbreaking!
But, of course, she ended up making that difficult decision to sacrifice herself to save others, anyway.
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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel
"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya
"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike
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Quote:That was pretty much the moment that SMG totally won me over.
Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Shed my first tears over this show for something other than laughter during the "I'm 16 years old, I don't want to die" speech ("Prophecy Girl", Season 1's finale).
Truly heartbreaking!
*snif*Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That was pretty much the moment that SMG totally won me over.
Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Shed my first tears over this show for something other than laughter during the "I'm 16 years old, I don't want to die" speech ("Prophecy Girl", Season 1's finale).
Truly heartbreaking!
10 years later, and it STILL gets to me!
(Yep I've watched since the VERY beginning!
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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel
"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya
"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike
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I actually got through that episode without crying, although I did get a shiver at that speech.
Willow and Buffy's reaction to Giles' phone call in 'Passions', however, made me sob.
And don't even get me started on that "close your eyes" scene in 'Becoming Part II'
Even the littlest Joss chicks are absolutely kickass
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I actually got through that episode without crying, although I did get a shiver at that speech.
Willow and Buffy's reaction to Giles' phone call in 'Passions', however, made me sob.
And don't even get me started on that "close your eyes" scene in 'Becoming Part II'
I won't "get you started", I'll just nod quietly and say, "I understand."
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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel
"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya
"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike
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Seriously though! I mean, I know it's the mark of great writing and everything, but there is no way someone should feel that much grief for a fictional character. It's just not right!
Even the littlest Joss chicks are absolutely kickass
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