Privilege in the United States

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RIVER6213

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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They really need to man-up, talking about white male privilege makes some of these men defensive!!.I guess the truth is hard to take. The way some of these males are bitching in this thread I'd really love to see it if they had to compete on an even playing field with everyone else. Why do I get the feeling some of them would fall apart.
Yeah it would be terrible if I had to compete in a world where the universities I attended actually had “diversity programs” for me. As it is, I had to get into college on my own grades, not the color of my skin. And it would be terrible for me if there were an affirmative action program for me. As it is I had to get my job on my qualifications, not on the color of my skin. Oh Yeah, it would just be so terrible.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

But you already have the biggest affirmative action ever, its called White male Privlege, you don't seem to want to admit that!! your whole life has been one big affirmative action program!! why do I detect hostilty..why is the truth so hard for you to own up to.

I think I must of hit a nerve!!

SO very true! That's what I keep saying but the denial filter in their collective, gnat-sized brains keep telling them "Say it isn't so?!!"

-River

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:09 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
But you already have the biggest affirmative action ever, its called White male Privlege, you don't seem to want to admit that!! your whole life has been one big affirmative action program!! why do I detect hostilty..why is the truth so hard for you to own up to.

I think I must of hit a nerve!!

You’re flattering yourself. Some imaginary privilege isn’t the same thing as actual policy. It’s kind of like the “international Jew.” You’re created the “international white male” to justify some bigotry against white people. I don’t know about you, but I earned what I have in life. It wasn’t handed to me for the color of my skin.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RIVER6213

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:10 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
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In a world where you have every advantage...Could it be that you are just lazy?

That could be. Lets look at my past. Hmm...job, school, job and school, job and lawschool. Maybe when I became a lawyer...nope, worked two jobs, seven days a week for a year and a half before my first vacation. Now I make pretty good money so I've cut myself back to seventy or so hours with a week's vacation every year (not counting govt holidays). So yeah, I'm lazy...

Then again, an African American male with my academic background would have had a full scholarship and been recruited to a top law firm out of school. Heck, I saw it happen with fellas and some nice ladies way behind me in the academic arena. Yes, I have the job I wanted, but I worked my way from intern all the way up and still almost lost out to a nice gal who failed her bar exam the first time and couldn't try cases worth a damn. She did have a large chest to offset her lack of research and writing ability...female privilage? She's gone now...could not cut it. I could and here I am. My boss is a female...meanest prosecutor I ever met (also the smallest...size does not matter) and damn fine trial lawyer.

I'd gladly trade my student loan payment for some racial profiling or the occaisional sexist remark...where do I sign up?

H

Why do you continue to bring up African Americans instead of addressing your white male privilage. If an African American could swap 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow and the last 40 years of affirmative action for your white privilage would you, somehow I doubt it.

Racism is about power , white male privilage is about power. You act as if a few years of some mostly defunct affrimative action programs have made up for hundreds of years of enslavement and terrorism. It hasn't even come close, stick to the topic..which is your white male privliage or is that to hard for you to do!!

Am I suppose to feel sorry for you because you didn't get a scholarship and there was no program to help you through college, I'm sure your white male privilage helped you just as much as any affirmative action program helped some woman or some minority who needed it.

You know you love your white male privilage no one is asking you to deny that; however just don't try to justify it, just admit that it does give you an advantage over everyone else. It puts you at a certain level that you didn't earn,and thats just the way it is. why is that so hard for some of you to admit?

Good point, and thank you very much for adding that. I was wondering when someone else who isn't a White Male would come in here and add their two cents worth to the fray. I also noticed that whenever a topic like this comes up the first thing people do is start talking about the treatment of Black people. They toss up statistics proving that Black people are the #1 makers of crime, or the number one takers of the welfare system. They talk about Affirmative Action, and they also mention quotas, and they ALL end it with how oppressed the White man is and how they have no special organizations to protect them. It makes me want to hurl sometimes because I KNOW they know better than that.

The original Affirmative Action is the Old Boys Club. The members? White Males. Everyone else had to take a back seat because they were all undeserving. Even when Affirmative Action and other policies were put in place White Males STILL found ways around that, and even with all of these organizations White males STILL hold the power over almost everything. I fail to see how they are being oppressed. I still think that they see it as there god given right to determine who is deserving and not deserving. And you are right Jenny...It's about power and they are not found lacking in this, but STILL they whine. Out of all the people in the U

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RIVER6213

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:15 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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But you already have the biggest affirmative action ever, its called White male Privlege, you don't seem to want to admit that!! your whole life has been one big affirmative action program!! why do I detect hostilty..why is the truth so hard for you to own up to.

I think I must of hit a nerve!!
You’re flattering yourself. Some imaginary privilege isn’t the same thing as actual policy. It’s kind of like the “international Jew.” You’re created the “international white male” to justify some bigotry against white people. I don’t know about you, but I earned what I have in life. It wasn’t handed to me for the color of my skin.

So you mean anything that a non white person accomplishes was handed to them? Are you saying that every degree, or every business a non white person gets or starts is not by their own efforts, but because it was handed too them? Thats rather illuminating information coming from you, and very interesting. That really tells me what you are. Thank you for that.

-River

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:24 PM

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So you mean anything that a non white person accomplishes was handed to them? Are you saying that every degree, or every business a non white person gets or starts is not by their own efforts, but because it was handed too them? Thats rather illuminating information coming from you, and very interesting. That really tells me what you are. Thank you for that.

You’d really have to be kind of an idiot to draw this from what I said.

But diversity programs and affirmative actions do exist, and they’ve never benefited me.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RIVER6213

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:34 PM

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I don’t know about you, but I earned what I have in life. It wasn’t handed to me for the color of my skin.

No need to get defensive and slip into name calling. That is what you said. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that line of yours means. Anyone who is non white did not deserve what they have accomplished because whatever they accomplished was handed too them because of the color of their skin. You on the other hand earned what you have in life through hard work and no one handed you anything. Color of skin = Things being handed to them.

-River

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:38 PM

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Oh no, you've got it all wrong. It isn't a fudged-up justice system. It's one that responds to supply and demand, the perfect example of why the capitalist model is always better. It's a fine result of the US conservative motto "All the justice money can buy".

Ah but Paris is of the female persuasion, I've seen the proof. I thought that put her behind the eight ball much like yourself. Besides, what does this obvious travesty of justice have to do with white, male privilege?

RIVER6213

Friday, June 8, 2007 1:42 PM

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Oh no, you've got it all wrong. It isn't a fudged-up justice system. It's one that responds to supply and demand, the perfect example of why the capitalist model is always better. It's a fine result of the US conservative motto "All the justice money can buy".

Ah but Paris is of the female persuasion, I've seen the proof. I thought that put her behind the eight ball much like yourself. Besides, what does this obvious travesty of justice have to do with white, male privilege?

We White females are also in many ways under the protection of White Privilege, and in some cases more so, and unlike white males I suspect many of us are aware of this, or should be at least but I've run into many bubble headed woman that try to pretend like it doesn't exist. They are just as stupid as White males.

-River

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, June 8, 2007 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
No need to get defensive and slip into name calling. That is what you said. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that line of yours means. Anyone who is non white did not deserve what they have accomplished because whatever they accomplished was handed too them because of the color of their skin. You on the other hand earned what you have in life through hard work and no one handed you anything. Color of skin = Things being handed to them.

Diversity programs and affirmative action programs still exist and I’ve still not benefited from them.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

HERO

Friday, June 8, 2007 2:11 PM

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I'm sure your white male privilage helped you just as much as any affirmative action program helped some woman or some minority who needed it.

Your right. By forcing me to work and pay for the same education handed to them by virtue of their race or gender I developed a work ethic that made me far more competitive in the work place so that when given a choice between and capable and hard working white me and a borderline incompetant female, I was able to overcome the City's biased inclination to choose the minority.

On a level playing field there would have been no contest...or perhaps one much more fair since on a truly level playing field our mutual effort to achieve in school and in the workplace would have made us far more alike in experiance, capability, and productivity and thus made the decision based soley on what's right...today rather then what happened in Africa four hundred years ago.

So white's now have the privilage of working harder to get ahead and as a result are stronger more competitive workers which leads to greater rewards in the long run. Seems this was not the intended consequence of Affirmative Action.

None of this changes the fact that your white male privilage argument is an excuse to justify racism and sexism of the worst kind. You cannot correct the abuses of the past by celebrating contemporary injustice.

H

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