Privilege in the United States
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Quote:Yes. And it is probably true. (At least I think it's probably true the way I stated it, sans the strawman.) It is not a strawman. You’re attempt to extrapolate my argument out to include every Liberal in the country, regardless of whether they actually advocate a political position beyond their own personal situation, is a strawman. I never said that. You invented it because you evidently believe I’m right and don’t have any real argument to counter it with.
Originally posted by rue:
Nope, the strawman is yours. You claim that there is a "large part of Left-wing politics" mostly white who want to keep "the hardships of the Negro race before the public" because "as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public."
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Well, at least the question of whether you’re a racist has been answered. And if there was any debate on your chauvinist tendencies, that’s pretty much answered too.
Oh! A hot word! I'm a racists! Yes I'm a racist against my own race with particular attention to white males, so yes, I am a racists and I don't just have chauvinistic tendencies, I am a total chauvinist against males. I've had to fight you creeps all of my life and I know ever dirty trick you are able to pull and survived it all, and maybe even gave back a little. Dealing with you creeps brings out the devil in me. With that it's time to watch some BattleStar Galactica.
-River
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:Quote:
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
In a world where you have every advantage...Could it be that you are just lazy?
That could be. Lets look at my past. Hmm...job, school, job and school, job and lawschool. Maybe when I became a lawyer...nope, worked two jobs, seven days a week for a year and a half before my first vacation. Now I make pretty good money so I've cut myself back to seventy or so hours with a week's vacation every year (not counting govt holidays). So yeah, I'm lazy...
Then again, an African American male with my academic background would have had a full scholarship and been recruited to a top law firm out of school. Heck, I saw it happen with fellas and some nice ladies way behind me in the academic arena. Yes, I have the job I wanted, but I worked my way from intern all the way up and still almost lost out to a nice gal who failed her bar exam the first time and couldn't try cases worth a damn. She did have a large chest to offset her lack of research and writing ability...female privilage? She's gone now...could not cut it. I could and here I am. My boss is a female...meanest prosecutor I ever met (also the smallest...size does not matter) and damn fine trial lawyer.
I'd gladly trade my student loan payment for some racial profiling or the occaisional sexist remark...where do I sign up?
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Why do you continue to bring up African Americans instead of addressing your white male privilage. If an African American could swap 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow and the last 40 years of affirmative action for your white privilage would you, somehow I doubt it.
Racism is about power , white male privilage is about power. You act as if a few years of some mostly defunct affrimative action programs have made up for hundreds of years of enslavement and terrorism. It hasn't even come close, stick to the topic..which is your white male privliage or is that to hard for you to do!!
Am I suppose to feel sorry for you because you didn't get a scholarship and there was no program to help you through college, I'm sure your white male privilage helped you just as much as any affirmative action program helped some woman or some minority who needed it.
You know you love your white male privilage no one is asking you to deny that; however just don't try to justify it, just admit that it does give you an advantage over everyone else. It puts you at a certain level that you didn't earn,and thats just the way it is. why is that so hard for some of you to admit?
Good point, and thank you very much for adding that. I was wondering when someone else who isn't a White Male would come in here and add their two cents worth to the fray. I also noticed that whenever a topic like this comes up the first thing people do is start talking about the treatment of Black people. They toss up statistics proving that Black people are the #1 makers of crime, or the number one takers of the welfare system. They talk about Affirmative Action, and they also mention quotas, and they ALL end it with how oppressed the White man is and how they have no special organizations to protect them. It makes me want to hurl sometimes because I KNOW they know better than that.
The original Affirmative Action is the Old Boys Club. The members? White Males. Everyone else had to take a back seat because they were all undeserving. Even when Affirmative Action and other policies were put in place White Males STILL found ways around that, and even with all of these organizations White males STILL hold the power over almost everything. I fail to see how they are being oppressed. I still think that they see it as there god given right to determine who is deserving and not deserving. And you are right Jenny...It's about power and they are not found lacking in this, but STILL they whine. Out of all the people in the United States White males have it better becauNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Yeah it would be terrible if I had to compete in a world where the universities I attended actually had “diversity programs” for me. As it is, I had to get into college on my own grades, not the color of my skin. And it would be terrible for me if there were an affirmative action program for me. As it is I had to get my job on my qualifications, not on the color of my skin. Oh Yeah, it would just be so terrible.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
They really need to man-up, talking about white male privilage makes some of these men defensive!!.I guess the truth is hard to take. The way some of these males are bitching in this thread I'd really love to see it if they had to compete on an even playing field with everyone else. Why do I get the feeling some of them would fall apart.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Finn -
"a large part" When you say large, are you talking about one, or two, or over 50%? You see, large, in most people's lexicons, means something more than a minor fraction. So when YOU say large, I presume you mean - large. A lot of. A big number. Not all, but enough to be representative. And the truth is, it ISN'T "a large part".
"Left-wing politics" WHO is included in left-wing politics? People who want, say subsidized medicine? An end to Iraq? A clean environment? One way or another that includes the majority of the US. So is the 'large part of left-wing politics' not really just ordinary people?
"they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also ... (prominence) before the public." I don't have an easy way of making a living, or prominence. Indeed, you'll find virtually all of the so-called 'large part of left-wing politics' are working people who will never be prominent.
So no, you haven't made a valid argument.
You OTOH are a prime example of the cynical 'conservative' permanently affixed to the tax teat. What YOU do more than anything else is play the victim of neglect - while preaching personal effort and accountability to others. YOU criticize big government - but would be unemployed without it. You have no problem with government giving people money - except when they are not you.
And BTW you have no clue as to what it would have taken to do what you did if your skin was dark or your genes were XX.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Yeah it would be terrible if I had to compete in a world where the universities I attended actually had “diversity programs” for me. As it is, I had to get into college on my own grades, not the color of my skin. And it would be terrible for me if there were an affirmative action program for me. As it is I had to get my job on my qualifications, not on the color of my skin. Oh Yeah, it would just be so terrible.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
They really need to man-up, talking about white male privilege makes some of these men defensive!!.I guess the truth is hard to take. The way some of these males are bitching in this thread I'd really love to see it if they had to compete on an even playing field with everyone else. Why do I get the feeling some of them would fall apart.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
But you already have the biggest affirmative action ever, its called White male Privlege, you don't seem to want to admit that!! your whole life has been one big affirmative action program!! why do I detect hostilty..why is the truth so hard for you to own up to.
I think I must of hit a nerve!!
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Quote:An excellent book, everybody should read it. I should read it again too, it's been almost ten years already.
Originally posted by rue:
Jared Diamond spent several hundred pages wondering why did the European area advance into the machine age first. The book is "Guns, Germs and Steel". His position is that it was a geographical accident, and he traces the development of cultures around the globe to make his case.
Anyway, 'Privilege in the United States': Paris Hilton, sent home to "serve her sentence" in her luxury castle because she didn't like prison.
Americans, your justice system is a fucking joke.
It really is.
Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.
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Khyron,
Oh no, you've got it all wrong. It isn't a fudged-up justice system. It's one that responds to supply and demand, the perfect example of why the capitalist model is always better. It's a fine result of the US conservative motto "All the justice money can buy".Quote:
Americans, your justice system is a fucking joke.
It really is.
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Lol!
Yeah, well, can't argue with that.
Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.
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Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:An excellent book, everybody should read it. I should read it again too, it's been almost ten years already.
Originally posted by rue:
Jared Diamond spent several hundred pages wondering why did the European area advance into the machine age first. The book is "Guns, Germs and Steel". His position is that it was a geographical accident, and he traces the development of cultures around the globe to make his case.
Anyway, 'Privilege in the United States': Paris Hilton, sent home to "serve her sentence" in her luxury castle because she didn't like prison.
Americans, your justice system is a fucking joke.
It really is.
You will not find one soul in this thread that disagrees with you on that point.
-River
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