Privilege in the United States

POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Saturday, July 26, 2025 06:23
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"I bet there are a good number of left-wing/feminist types on this board who are just as racist and chauvinist ..."

And therein lies your error.

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but White men are the number one reason WHY the United States is so fucked up right now.

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Maybe. I blame white men for founding a nation conceived in liberty and bound by the proposition that all men are created equal. I blame white men for creating a system of government that has continued to spread the blessings of liberty to persons of all faiths, races, genders, and economic background. Damn those white men for making a nation that stands as an example of all that can be right in the world...peace, prosperity, innovation, security, and the rule of law.

You see the United States as "so fucked up right now" but thats because you don't have any basis of comparison. The world was once a dark place ruled by tyranny, now not so much.

A fitting tribute to white men of America...then and now:
"These heroes are dead. They died for liberty—they died for us. They are at rest. They sleep in the land they made free, under the flag they rendered stainless, under the solemn pines, the sad hemlocks, the tearful willows, the embracing vines. They sleep beneath the shadows of the clouds, careless alike of sunshine or storm, each in the windowless palace of rest. Earth may run red with other wars—they are at peace. In the midst of battles, in the roar of conflict, they found the serenity of death."-Robert Green Ingersoll. (1833–1899)

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-River

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I named my dog River. Some gentle persuasion was all it took to get her to stop peeing on the rug. I'm sure it will be the same with you.

H

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

You make it sound like I owe you something. Do I owe you something? Should I not say what I believe is a truth? You make it sound personal. No Reaverman I don't hate you. Out of most here you have been reasonable, or at least tried to make your point without name-calling and minimizing the situation. You have made an effort to try to think things out. You must remember that I too am white, and the things I have spoken of and about includes myself in the mix. I am part of a people that have made many other races miserable in order to secure our place in history and eventually make a bid for complete world domination. That is the whole unspoken goal of any race when it gets right down to it, but in our case, and in the White male's case it seems that taking over the world is not enough...we want everyone to agree in their hearts that we are good, and righteous, and special, and MORE deserving. We want to go to places like Iraq and turn their country upside down creating a power vacuum, and then we want the people of Iraq to thank us for it. Good luck with that. We want to screw with Native Americans and black people and then expect them to behave like us. Good luck with that. We Woman have been screwed with by most males of all races and you all want us to love you for it. Good luck with that.

If I were you I wouldn't take any of the things said here to heart like you seem to be doing. No need to go stomping off to bed feeling "tired of this shit" What did you expect me to do...agree with all of what you said an not add my own world view into it? I'm just talking about my experience, I will not go, I refuse to along with the unspoken, non questioning that seems to go along with White Privilege, and I will most certainly not support the ideas of the so-called old boy's network. It's not within me to do so.

I will be called a drunk, stupid, and an idiot for this post. I will be called this because what I'm saying goes against every thing we have all been taught, and brain-washed regarding this issue. Some of you will feel betrayed, and feel like someone is blaming you for something, which actually I am. If I were any other race you would all dismiss this, but I am one of your own; I see the truth into things concerning our race. I know what we are. We may be clever, smart, and inventive, but when it comes to other human beings different from us...we just don't have a clue and assume that everyone in the world wants to be just like us. Our cleverness with our technology has tricked us into believing that we are divine beings. Most of the people in the world admire our technology, but they don't particularly want to be us. We just don't seem to be getting the memo on this part of it, and not everyone is going to subscribe to White privilege.

So Reaverman if you are bothered by this response I would like to say that I'm sorry, but I'm not. I don't think we are more deserving than any other race. We are clever but that's where it ends.

-River

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River, I'm not saying you're completely wrong, because you are right about a lot of the things you've said. But what I disagree with is the fact that you are saying that the flaws that led to our current situation are inherent in white men. They're not. They're inherent in ambitious men and women of any race.

What it boils down to is who developed the technology first (technological superiority has historically led to feelings of racial superiority). If Africans had managed to overcome tribal rivalries and develope more advanced weapons and tactics, they would have colonized Europe. They would have come up with excuses like the "Black man's burden" to justify racial imperialism. Whites and whoever else the Africans conquered would have probably been enslaved. Over the years, racist beliefs would have been ingrained into society by generations of children being taught that those of the "lesser" races are stupid and sub-human, allowing racism to long outlive any technological/social advantages one race

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Jared Diamond spent several hundred pages wondering why did the European area advance into the machine age first. The book is "Guns, Germs and Steel". His position is that it was a geographical accident, and he traces the development of cultures around the globe to make his case.

If I recall correctly, his first posited step was the existance of tameable draft animals. The elephant, zebra, and ox in Africa aren't able to be domesticated and so Africa only went so far in the development of large-scale agriculture. And so on in like manner ...

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but White men are the number one reason WHY the United States is so fucked up right now.

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Maybe. I blame white men for founding a nation conceived in liberty and bound by the proposition that all men are created equal. I blame white men for creating a system of government that has continued to spread the blessings of liberty to persons of all faiths, races, genders, and economic background. Damn those white men for making a nation that stands as an example of all that can be right in the world...peace, prosperity, innovation, security, and the rule of law.

You see the United States as "so fucked up right now" but thats because you don't have any basis of comparison. The world was once a dark place ruled by tyranny, now not so much.

A fitting tribute to white men of America...then and now:
"These heroes are dead. They died for liberty—they died for us. They are at rest. They sleep in the land they made free, under the flag they rendered stainless, under the solemn pines, the sad hemlocks, the tearful willows, the embracing vines. They sleep beneath the shadows of the clouds, careless alike of sunshine or storm, each in the windowless palace of rest. Earth may run red with other wars—they are at peace. In the midst of battles, in the roar of conflict, they found the serenity of death."-Robert Green Ingersoll. (1833–1899)

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-River

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I named my dog River. Some gentle persuasion was all it took to get her to stop peeing on the rug. I'm sure it will be the same with you.

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Unfortunately, many of the points you use actually support River's original comments. "Men created equal", yep. No women's sufferage. On the flip side, for their time, these guys did lead a path to greater equity for the 'common person' than existed before; it was a step in the right direction. I believe there's a middle path here folks just might tread that could yield a little insight.

As far as your 'gentle persuassion' comment goes, I'd personally smack you silly for that myself; however, River would find that offensive... so I will refrain, and stand back and watch the fireworks on that one.

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Originally posted by leadb:
"Men created equal", yep. No women's sufferage.

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The founders could not change the world overnight. They did create a system that embaced liberty as its guiding principal. As long as that was true the women's sufferage became as inevitable and unalienable as freedom for the slaves and the defeat of tyranny.

H

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by leadb:
"Men created equal", yep. No women's sufferage.

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The founders could not change the world overnight. They did create a system that embaced liberty as its guiding principal. As long as that was true the women's sufferage became as inevitable and unalienable as freedom for the slaves and the defeat of tyranny.

H

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Also, who knew “suffrage” was a good thing? Honestly. If you’d never heard the word before and some guy walked up to you and asked if you wanted “some suffrage” would you say yes?

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Just face the realities and acknowledge White privilege and admit that you benefit from it, and move on. Admit that you do have the advantage here in the United States over some average dark-skinned person. Just admit that when you leave the restaurant you can say "The money is on the table" and people will automatically take your word for it.

The Funny part about the people that made this so-called Alliance, I mean United States great was that they WERE really great, but the rest of White humanity who have never done anything of value except for breed and shoot their mouths off gets to reap the rewards. I love it. We whites walk around acting as though we are all superior to the other races but when it gets right down to it...a few did great things and the many try to act like they themselves did the great acts, and attempt to take all the credit. A good question all of you mouthy white males should be asking yourselves is "What did YOU create, or invent? How did YOU contribute to the so-called greatness of the white race?" Seems to me that a lot of modern, White males are taking the credit of superiority from their ancestors. You guys are a complete joke, and I laugh LONG time at your knuckle-dragging stupidity.

White Males...It's NOT what's for dinner.

-River

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but White men are the number one reason WHY the United States is so fucked up right now.

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I named my dog River. Some gentle persuasion was all it took to get her to stop peeing on the rug. I'm sure it will be the same with you.

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*laughter*
I'm in a good mood Mr. man.
I would like to spill your entrails out on the highway, or at least feed them to my dog named Binky. You mouthy white males will do anything for attention.

-River

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