'08 Presidential Candidates: Who served & who didn't

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, June 1, 2007 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
But none of that snarkiness aimed at you, if I recall (unless you happen to be a sockpuppet of some other folk).

And if I were to see you physically beating on another Poster I should go along my merry because it dosen't involve me? Extreme example, I know, but it hopefully clarifies my position.

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
In fact, I believe our first exchange was a smart-mouthed comment from you about how I talk to my students. If you want to move our dialogue down to that level, let me know; I can dish it out with the best of them.

If anyone should be able to show patience while trying to get their point across, I figured it would be a teacher. Your hostility towards another who holds a different view than you caught me off guard.

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
The post was unclear because of implication. The OP struck me (and obviously others) as you saying military service was necessary, not beneficial, because it was the absolute most important aspect of the presidency. It derailed the argument when you later said that nobody agreed with you, and your argument that nobody agreed with seemed different from your OP.

I wish more people would actually respond to the post instead of the Poster. Then perhaps not so many arguments would be misrepresented. How you got me down for military experience being necessary and the most important aspect of the presidency from an underlined Commander-in-Chief is beyond me. Is it because my initial post was in response to yinyang? Y'all thought that I was picking on one of your own so y'all came running to the rescue?

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
See? People were arguing against a position you didn't hold, based on what they thought your OP meant. Whether or not you thought it was clear doesn't always mean it is; happens to all of us.

To some more than others.

KANEMAN

Friday, June 1, 2007 2:31 PM

" and quite frankly through the last several months I've come to it less and less because of people like you. I'm tired of your behavior, quite honestly,"

I take it this means I don't contribute. I would disagree, you just overlook that. Now, how about you? IMHO..you are as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker(E.P)....I look forward to ignoring you.

MALBADINLATIN

Friday, June 1, 2007 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Are you sure you're in good company? Because if you say MalBadInLatin fast, it sounds like Mal Bin-Laden! And according to the media and what they did to someone else's name (Obama) that's not a good thing!

Damn! My cover is blown! Might as well come clean. PN is gonna love this one, I'm actualy a Jewish Communist Gay Nazi shape shifter from Planet X. Osama, Obama, Hillary, Michael Moore, Al Gore, The New York Times editorial staff...yep, you guessed it...all the same person, ME! Where will I go next!? Damn you to !@#$ for exposing me Sig!

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

SEVENPERCENT

Friday, June 1, 2007 6:57 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
And if I were to see you physically beating on another Poster I should go along my merry because it dosen't involve me? Extreme example, I know, but it hopefully clarifies my position.
If anyone should be able to show patience while trying to get their point across, I figured it would be a teacher. Your hostility towards another who holds a different view than you caught me off guard.

The only one I may have bashed undeservedly was Antimason. I was "physically beating" on two trolls who post racist remarks in each and every thread they come into, who at best have been nothing more than annoyances to this board. If you want to be their champion, be my guest. It's your reputation.

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I wish more people would actually respond to the post instead of the Poster. Then perhaps not so many arguments would be misrepresented. How you got me down for military experience being necessary and the most important aspect of the presidency from an underlined Commander-in-Chief is beyond me. Is it because my initial post was in response to yinyang? Y'all thought that I was picking on one of your own so y'all came running to the rescue?

Underlining mine.
I didn't know that the very first post in this thread was a response to another thread where yinuang had posted. If you mean the first post after your initial post, then whatever. Yinyang can defend herself/himself. I'm certainly not going to volunteer to do it.

As far as responding to the post and not the poster:

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...something to think about when you're casting your vote (either in the general election or in the primaries) on who should be Commander-in-Chief of the brave men and women who are risking their lives to protect American freedom. Remember most of the candidates weren't willing to take that risk.

These are your words exactly. Wherein do you not think you are implying that military service should be a necessary requirement for the job? "Willing to take the risk" speaks for itself.

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To some more than others.

Yeah, you, apparently.

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"A revolution without dancing is no revolution at all." - V

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, June 1, 2007 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
I didn't know that the very first post in this thread was a response to another thread where yinuang had posted. If you mean the first post after your initial post, then whatever. Yinyang can defend herself/himself. I'm certainly not going to volunteer to do it.

I was responding to Yinyang's post in this thread. Yinyang posted, I posted my response, then Yinyang posted back. I don't quite know where this disconnect is coming from.

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
As far as responding to the post and not the poster:
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...something to think about when you're casting your vote (either in the general election or in the primaries) on who should be Commander-in-Chief of the brave men and women who are risking their lives to protect American freedom. Remember most of the candidates weren't willing to take that risk.

These are your words exactly. Wherein do you not think you are implying that military service should be a necessary requirement for the job? "Willing to take the risk" speaks for itself.

You really do take the summer off, body and mind.

The above quote was from Crevanreaver, the original author of this thread. I understand your confusion now, you are mixing up the positions of two different Posters, hopefully unintentionally.

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, June 1, 2007 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

Damn! My cover is blown! Might as well come clean. PN is gonna love this one, I'm actualy a Jewish Communist Gay Nazi shape shifter from Planet X. Osama, Obama, Hillary, Michael Moore, Al Gore, The New York Times editorial staff...yep, you guessed it...all the same person, ME! Where will I go next!? Damn you to !@#$ for exposing me Sig!

Ah ha! So, you admit it!

Damn it though. I shouldn't have tipped our hand before we had you. The chase is on again I guess.

Death to the Jewish Communist Gay Nazi's!!!

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 2, 2007 1:01 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Good for you if prior millitary service means something to you, but there's no reason to insult people who don't mindlessly go where there Masters tell them to to go and kill people who never did anything personally to them or their families.

If this was directed at me I have to admit, that's a nice looking stawman ya got there Jack.

I don't really know what the hell you're talking about my friend. Your posts are disjointed and confusing and I'm not the only one, obviously, who thinks so. When you do make up your mind about what you actually think, please feel free to post in a way where folk can read it and understand it.

I was just agreeing with YingYang that I don't even consider prior military service when deciding who I like. If that's you, fine, strawman... whatever. Do you even know what that means? It seems like "strawman" in the RWED is the default argument somebody uses when they've got nothing meaningful to say. The use of the word strawman just reeks of snark that plays up the users dilluted self confidence and makes them feel more intelligent than everyone else, when those that are in actuality more intelligent just sit there and shake their head in pity.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SEVENPERCENT

Saturday, June 2, 2007 1:09 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
You really do take the summer off, body and mind.
The above quote was from Crevanreaver, the original author of this thread. I understand your confusion now, you are mixing up the positions of two different Posters, hopefully unintentionally.

Heh- I certainly did, and it was unintentional. And therein was where the confusion went. Sorry about that BDN. Once the thread got rolling, I never looked back at who the first poster was, especially once we started exchanging posts, and mistakenly applied that post to you.

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"A revolution without dancing is no revolution at all." - V

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, June 2, 2007 2:31 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I was just agreeing with YingYang that I don't even consider prior military service when deciding who I like. If that's you, fine, strawman... whatever. Do you even know what that means? It seems like "strawman" in the RWED is the default argument somebody uses when they've got nothing meaningful to say. The use of the word strawman just reeks of snark that plays up the users dilluted self confidence and makes them feel more intelligent than everyone else, when those that are in actuality more intelligent just sit there and shake their head in pity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

In this thread I have stated that I think military experience is prudent for the Commander-in-Chief to have. You stated I was insulting to people who do not go and kill innocents at their master's request. Sounds like a textbook strawman argument to me Jack, what say you?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, June 2, 2007 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Once the thread got rolling, I never looked back at who the first poster was, especially once we started exchanging posts,...

Thanks for the conversation, read you around.

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